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My First 10NL Session...

Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
edited August 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Hello folks, here are a few big hands from my first session at 10NL, just wanted to get some thoughts from people who play at this level on any areas for improvement. Ended up being just under break even, about £3 down, which isn't too bad after a couple of the hands below.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Lambert180 Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £14.98
wizzbanger Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £11.11
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
DENZIBOY Raise   £0.40 £0.55 £9.98
Lambert180 Raise   £1.20 £1.75 £13.78
wizzbanger Fold        
DENZIBOY Raise   £3.40 £5.15 £6.58
Lambert180 Raise   £10.10 £15.25 £3.68
DENZIBOY All-in   £6.58 £21.83 £0.00
Lambert180 Unmatched bet   £0.97 £20.86 £4.65
Lambert180 Show
  • K
  • K
     
DENZIBOY Show
  • A
  • A
     
Flop
   
  • 7
  • A
  • 3
     
Turn
   
  • 6
     
River
   
  • K
     
DENZIBOY Win Three Aces £19.46   £19.46
Standard I know but it doesn't make it hurt any less.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Lambert180 Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £10.61
wizzbanger Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £10.03
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 9
     
DENZIBOY Fold        
AJ_Rockets Fold        
Lambert180 Raise   £0.50 £0.65 £10.11
wizzbanger Call   £0.45 £1.10 £9.58
Flop
   
  • 7
  • J
  • J
     
Lambert180 Bet   £1.10 £2.20 £9.01
wizzbanger Raise   £3.50 £5.70 £6.08
Lambert180 All-in   £9.01 £14.71 £0.00
wizzbanger Fold        
Lambert180 Muck        
Lambert180 Win   £7.49   £7.49
Lambert180 Return   £6.61 £0.61 £14.10
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Lambert180 Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £17.24
wizzbanger Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £6.43
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • Q
     
DENZIBOY Fold        
AJ_Rockets Fold        
Lambert180 Raise   £0.50 £0.65 £16.74
wizzbanger Call   £0.45 £1.10 £5.98
Flop
   
  • J
  • 6
  • A
     
Lambert180 Bet   £1.10 £2.20 £15.64
wizzbanger Raise   £2.20 £4.40 £3.78
Lambert180 Raise   £6.60 £11.00 £9.04
wizzbanger All-in   £3.78 £14.78 £0.00
Lambert180 Unmatched bet   £1.72 £13.06 £10.76
Lambert180 Show
  • A
  • Q
     
wizzbanger Show
  • J
  • K
     
Turn
   
  • Q
     
River
   
  • J
     
wizzbanger Win Three Jacks £12.08   £12.08
Also standard but another annoying hand...
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
wizzbanger Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £8.90
DENZIBOY Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £12.42
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
     
AJ_Rockets Fold        
ospreys12 Call   £0.10 £0.25 £4.53
Lambert180 Raise   £0.60 £0.85 £12.21
wizzbanger Call   £0.55 £1.40 £8.35
DENZIBOY Fold        
ospreys12 Call   £0.50 £1.90 £4.03
Flop
   
  • K
  • K
  • 10
     
wizzbanger Check        
ospreys12 All-in   £4.03 £5.93 £0.00
Lambert180 All-in   £12.21 £18.14 £0.00
wizzbanger Fold        
Lambert180 Unmatched bet   £8.18 £9.96 £8.18
ospreys12 Show
  • 10
  • 9
     
Lambert180 Show
  • Q
  • Q
     
Turn
   
  • 9
     
River
   
  • 7
     
Lambert180 Win Two Pairs, Kings and Queens £9.21   £17.39
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
GEMO Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £5.56
DENZIBOY Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £2.33
  Your hole cards
  • 3
  • 3
     
AJ_Rockets Fold        
Phil_Dee Fold        
WUBS Fold        
Lambert180 Raise   £0.30 £0.45 £9.25
GEMO Fold        
DENZIBOY Call   £0.20 £0.65 £2.13
Flop
   
  • 7
  • 4
  • 2
     
DENZIBOY Check        
Lambert180 Bet   £0.49 £1.14 £8.76
DENZIBOY All-in   £2.13 £3.27 £0.00
Lambert180 Call   £1.64 £4.91 £7.12
DENZIBOY Show
  • A
  • 4
     
Lambert180 Show
  • 3
  • 3
     
Turn
   
  • J
     
River
   
  • 10
     
DENZIBOY Win Pair of 4s £4.54   £4.54
Failed attempt at a hero call, genuinely thought he had air although clearly could have waited for a better spot.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited August 2011
    1st hand as ya say total cooler vul

    Pretty brave OR reckless lolz on 2nd hand

    3rd hand just ul

    last hand dont think ya need to call here ever

    One thing ive noticed is ya aint afraid to stack off , fine if ya got the nutz BUT when ya start playin regs at this level ure gonna be on the losing side of a gd few spots xxx
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited August 2011
    a lot of your opens are too big imo, especially in the bvb situations when you're going to be playing the hand out of position.

    in hand 2 i'd cbet smaller, then if you think he's bluffing i think calling his flop raise and c/cing turn is best to allow him to bluff / bet with worse again because we're probably going to be crushed if we get stacks in on that flop.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited August 2011
    1 nh
    2 flat flop raise or fold. Cant see any reason to shove
    3 +4 standard v shortstacks
    5. fold flop. Have you some reason to herocall?
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    1. Standard.

    2. Raise less pre, I would NOT shove here most likely fold as he's raised 1/3 of his stack and should NOT fold lol

    3. Raise smaller pre again, post flop looks standard

    4. Maybe raise just 5x pre after limper I personlly only raise 4x after limper here. flop gotta call.

    5. Better raise pre, flop I cbet smaller bout 32p or just check behind, when shoved on it's a pretty easy fold, absolutlely ZERO reason to call as you'll get these sort of players stacks eventually in better spots. Can't see them ever check shoving flop with worse than a pair.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited August 2011
    Maybe look at your pre raise sizing in general.
    There a pattern there that better players will pick up on.
    Bad players will never know but standard 3x is fine - early pos 4x is fine
    What you think Dudeskin, how you finding it ?
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited August 2011
    Pretty sure dudes doin gd but obv he will have to confirm that , ive been playin for bout a couple of mnths now at this level and the last 3 weeks i think ive settled in properly now with a fair few notes ( this ALWAYS helps ) and over the last 4 sessions ive won bout 8 buy ins and thats prob over about 4 hours or so , just hoping it continues ;))
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    Pretty sure dudes doin gd but obv he will have to confirm that , ive been playin for bout a couple of mnths now at this level and the last 3 weeks i think ive settled in properly now with a fair few notes ( this ALWAYS helps ) and over the last 4 sessions ive won bout 8 buy ins and thats prob over about 4 hours or so , just hoping it continues ;))
    Posted by debdobs_67
    good for you, when I try and step up i run bad and half my BR gone - plus it also highlighted a leak in game so not all run bad--
    Played three tables of NL8 last night, up about 6 buy ins so maybe I can turn this around and start to run like god. I even inflicted a couple of bad beats so wohooo for me :D

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  • jams88jams88 Member Posts: 694
    edited August 2011
    having 5x as your standard open is good for al4 i think you can probably drop it to between 3-4 now as it will make your cbetting cheaper and get you the same result.

    Hand 2 not sure i like the shove but fair play it got through you know the last hand was bad but atleast you know this without that hand you probably would have been about evens then with the 2 coolers thats not tobad methinks :)
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    Maybe look at your pre raise sizing in general. There a pattern there that better players will pick up on. Bad players will never know but standard 3x is fine - early pos 4x is fine What you think Dudeskin, how you finding it ?
    Posted by rancid
    Yh my standard UTG is 4x, anywhere else it's 3x+1 for every limper.

    For me the level is pretty straight forward like I said previously just less fish but the ones you find are still as awful as NL4 if not worse sometimes lol.

    I'm on a break now till next month as reached where I wanted to be for the month and don't want to do 4-5 BI's, plus when I come back from a break I always feel refreshed and eager to play.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session... : Yh my standard UTG is 4x, anywhere else it's 3x+1 for every limper. For me the level is pretty straight forward like I said previously just less fish but the ones you find are still as awful as NL4 if not worse sometimes lol. I'm on a break now till next month as reached where I wanted to be for the month and don't want to do 4-5 BI's, plus when I come back from a break I always feel refreshed and eager to play.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    n1
    You seem to be very disciplined, do you think taking a break is better than playing on if your running good.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session... : n1 You seem to be very disciplined, do you think taking a break is better than playing on if your running good.
    Posted by rancid
    Well if you're running good logically you should ride the wave for as long as you can lol But I always get that feeling deep down that I'm just round the corner from a 3-4 down BI session. Tbh though it's mainly just that I'd reached my 10k points total and playing on (in cash) just felt pointless (stupid I know) so I'm going pure on MTT's for a week or so now which I enjoy a lot more.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session... : Well if you're running good logically you should ride the wave for as long as you can lol But I always get that feeling deep down that I'm just round the corner from a 3-4 down BI session. Tbh though it's mainly just that I'd reached my 10k points total and playing on (in cash) just felt pointless (stupid I know) so I'm going pure on MTT's for a week or so now which I enjoy a lot more.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    o right  i thought you meant taking a break from poker for a while :s
    Do you find MTT's a lot more straightforward now your improving in cash )
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session... : o right  i thought you meant taking a break from poker for a while :s Do you find MTT's a lot more straightforward now your improving in cash )
    Posted by rancid
    Well I've always played MTT's and tbh improved playing them due to being more aggressive late on and not being scared of bubbling/missing cash.

    I would defo say MTT's are more straigthforward but nothing to do with cash, playing cash is so different as it needs more thought (even playing bad players lol) with big stacks and more down the street decisions, be it value betting, folding when you need to etc. In MTT's I see it as just keeping your ahead above water till there's no one left.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited August 2011
    1 - zz

    2 - wow raise smaller pre, c bet smaller, fold or call, if you think he's bluffing let him keep doing it, not gonna get called by worse shoving

    3 - raise smaller pre, c bet smaller .. seems ok mostly

    4 - raise smaller pre, with 1 limper and in position, 4 or 5X is fine, 6X is too much imo, standard post

    5 - easy fold

    you need to work on your bet sizing - pretty bad in places
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    Thanks for the input folks.

    Yeah I know there's a few things to work on, I am still really new to cash really, but yeah I know where I went wrong in most spots above really, it's just nice to hear it from others. I often know what the 'right' thing to do is but lack of self discipline gets the best of me on the odd occasion, but I've almost knocked it out of my game.

    I'll take all comments on board, give 10NL another whirl tonight and then post some of the cruical hands again, if you guys dont mind casting an eye over them.
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  • rentisduerentisdue Member Posts: 227
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    Thanks for the input folks. Yeah I know there's a few things to work on, I am still really new to cash really, but yeah I know where I went wrong in most spots above really, it's just nice to hear it from others. I often know what the 'right' thing to do is but lack of self discipline gets the best of me on the odd occasion, but I've almost knocked it out of my game. I'll take all comments on board, give 10NL another whirl tonight and then post some of the cruical hands again, if you guys dont mind casting an eye over them.
    Posted by Lambert180

    Hi Mate.  hope it all goes well for you.

    If your giving it a go tonight why not join 1 or 2 of the mastercash tables and get some hands looked at on the show although the 10nl mastercash tables seem to have alot better class of player on them than your normal 10nl ones eg greghogg, dohhhhhh, jenny_iyy, tommyd etc who all play much higher normally.

    Best of luck.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    I was gonna have a look at the mastercash tables but if that's who are playing on 10NL... I don't wanna get butchered lol.

    Nah I reckon I could hold my own, but fish are easier :)
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    I was gonna have a look at the mastercash tables but if that's who are playing on 10NL... I don't wanna get butchered lol. Nah I reckon I could hold my own, but fish are easier :)
    Posted by Lambert180
    LOL I tried it on one Mastercash night a few weeks back. My advice is stay well clear! You want to win money right, that ain't gonna happen playing 5 other dirty nits is it? lol

    You can get all the help you need on the clinic with hands and keep playing those awful players. ;)
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session... : LOL I tried it on one Mastercash night a few weeks back. My advice is stay well clear! You want to win money right, that ain't gonna happen playing 5 other dirty nits is it? lol You can get all the help you need on the clinic with hands and keep playing those awful players. ;)
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Yeah but the likes of hoggers , dohhh tommyd etc are NOT gonna ave any notes on my disgustingly bad plays are they ?? ;))
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session...:
    In Response to Re: My First 10NL Session... : Yeah but the likes of hoggers , dohhh tommyd etc are NOT gonna ave any notes on my disgustingly bad plays are they ?? ;))
    Posted by debdobs_67
     
    It doesn't take long to type 'fish' in that yellow box lol :D
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