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love him or hate him...
WHOAMI196
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If you aint see this its a must watch............
gotta love Tony g ...
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I used to hate him but I think he's brilliant now.
The thing is, none of it is personal or real - it's pure theatre with him, a pure act.
Listen to his phrases aswell, "seven from heaven", "ace from space", "butcher of baghdad" - it's a complete script he's made up - it's brilliant for poker on TV and therefore good for the game if it gets more people watching and eventually playing.
Hellmuth on the other hand, is a proper d0uche. Ofc his is an act aswell (and yes I'll grudgingly admit good for the game too), but he actually BELIEVES (or at least used to) he's the best. He's calmed down a little recently because I think he has privately (he wont admit it publicly ofc) acknowledged that he's nowhere near the top pros in terms of ability. He also only picks fights with recreational players because he knows he would get torn apart by the pros!
His attitude disguises how good he really is. People love to attack and dismiss the guy.
They are wrong to do so. I have to chuckle when people say past it and outdated.
Poker trends are cicular. You think the likes of Hellmuth, Ferguson and Doyle dont have the levels and gears that Dwan, Shwartz and Oliver have? Of course they do. They chose not to use them. They prefer a lower variance game, just as many of the respected young guns may one day.
Are you Hellmuth's Mrs by any chance?
Seriously, his attitude actually takes away from how good he really is.
No one would "attack or dismiss" him if he hadn't spent most of his career building his image stinking the place up with his attitude whenever he played.
The high stakes cash and online pros gave him some grief over the last few years after he spent his whole career rubbishing and attacking recreational players, very easy and soft targets for him to build his image on.
When they realised it wasn't all just an act and that he truly believed he was the "greatest poker player in the world" without any sense of irony - they quite rightly gave it back to him when they could.
He's had to eat quite a bit of humble pie in the last few years (not publicly ofc, he's got an image to keep up) - but kudos to him, he's gone away and got some coaching and worked really hard at his game.
There's no doubt he's a great player and I respect him for that, he's just never been as good as he really thought he was - he thought he was Ali, but he's only David Haye.
I think they are both arrogont idiots for what its worth. Difference being Hellmuth isnt malicious with it and is slightly more entitled to it.
I wouldnt believe all that you hear about hellmuth going off and getting coaching. Much of what you see of Hellmuth is PR (be it bad PR).
I just think people love to jump on the bandwagon of hating the guy. Yes he does bring himself down and denies himself the credibility he seeks. But he is a big part of the reason why poker is where it is today, people forget that.
http://www.pokerplayer.co.uk/poker-players/player-interviews/11587/the_people_vs_phil_hellmuth.html
At the tables, he's obviously a bit different
It's not to everyone's taste, but I think he's a guy who likes the attention of the cameras and the adrenalin that comes with it.