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Messy spot on FT of Live £50 FO, holding flush and straight draws, pot stuck at turn.
AMYBR
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Playing a £50 live FO last night. 10k starting stack, 24min blinds. 68 runners, go to FT with significant chip lead, pretty sick heater throughout.
Anywho top 3 prizes are well worth winning, table has opted for deal to pay buy in back to 10th, 9th and 8th so we get 7 handed pretty quick, shorties just getting it in once deal has been made..
Blinds at 2k/4k with 400ante. I have around 210k next largest stack is around 110k. Pretty good reads on opponents. Second largest stack is a bit of a knit. Raises from the HJ, range being A9 upwards. Am in the BB and have already decided to flat any two to pick it up on most flops. Opponent has a pretty tight range and c/f's most flops when missing, maybe calling one barrell when missing. 2 barrels on barren board gets job down huge portion of time. My image is fairly solid, but have been picking up a lot of pots uncontested in position.
Anywho the hand: Rocky player makes it 12k from the HJ with maybe 98kish behind. Was planning to call blind but find 4c5c, so would mostly be calling vs an opponent whose range is polarised. Tempted to 3bet but cant really based on stacks.
29k in pot, flop comes 6c7h2s. I donk bet 17k feeling strongly it gets job done, but equally am happy with a call. Against a more active player I'd likely c/c, but between picking it up uncontested here and building a pot am more inclined to get some chips in. Opponent squirms abit, not loving it but calls.
63k in pot, opponent has 80k behind 6c7h2sAc. Am now open ended with a draw to a weak flush that is highly likely to be good. So effectively have 15 clean outs, super unlikely opponent opened 89 or floats 2 clubs off flop. Can only really put him on Ax or 10's or J's. As said, pretty polarised.
If i bet I'm definately callking a re shove when opponent holds a solid A (will have to). If I check, I definately call a bet up to pot, perhaps even end up calling a cold shove....maybe (as I'll have a 1/3 shot to own 50% of chips in play when hitting, but still having an average stack when missing. But also dont like the idea of calling turn to fold river. Will end up folding a 150k pot for 50k bet). So based on this toyed with the idea of just putting him in hoping he does have the 10's/J's or can fold an A he isnt comfortable with. Guy is second in chips and fairly knitty, has a workable stack and likely wants more equity out of the prize pool than 7th after playing for 7 hours.
Which line do you opt for?
Anywho top 3 prizes are well worth winning, table has opted for deal to pay buy in back to 10th, 9th and 8th so we get 7 handed pretty quick, shorties just getting it in once deal has been made..
Blinds at 2k/4k with 400ante. I have around 210k next largest stack is around 110k. Pretty good reads on opponents. Second largest stack is a bit of a knit. Raises from the HJ, range being A9 upwards. Am in the BB and have already decided to flat any two to pick it up on most flops. Opponent has a pretty tight range and c/f's most flops when missing, maybe calling one barrell when missing. 2 barrels on barren board gets job down huge portion of time. My image is fairly solid, but have been picking up a lot of pots uncontested in position.
Anywho the hand: Rocky player makes it 12k from the HJ with maybe 98kish behind. Was planning to call blind but find 4c5c, so would mostly be calling vs an opponent whose range is polarised. Tempted to 3bet but cant really based on stacks.
29k in pot, flop comes 6c7h2s. I donk bet 17k feeling strongly it gets job done, but equally am happy with a call. Against a more active player I'd likely c/c, but between picking it up uncontested here and building a pot am more inclined to get some chips in. Opponent squirms abit, not loving it but calls.
63k in pot, opponent has 80k behind 6c7h2sAc. Am now open ended with a draw to a weak flush that is highly likely to be good. So effectively have 15 clean outs, super unlikely opponent opened 89 or floats 2 clubs off flop. Can only really put him on Ax or 10's or J's. As said, pretty polarised.
If i bet I'm definately callking a re shove when opponent holds a solid A (will have to). If I check, I definately call a bet up to pot, perhaps even end up calling a cold shove....maybe (as I'll have a 1/3 shot to own 50% of chips in play when hitting, but still having an average stack when missing. But also dont like the idea of calling turn to fold river. Will end up folding a 150k pot for 50k bet). So based on this toyed with the idea of just putting him in hoping he does have the 10's/J's or can fold an A he isnt comfortable with. Guy is second in chips and fairly knitty, has a workable stack and likely wants more equity out of the prize pool than 7th after playing for 7 hours.
Which line do you opt for?
Comments
How much have you played with this guy, these are pretty specific reads. Why do you think his range is polarised, looks more like its just strong to me.
Pre I dont think there is enough value in your hand to call this shallow oop. If you are planning donking nearly all flops as a bluff regardless that may be ok, depending on villain and your image, but the fact you have 45s is almost irrelevant as it just doesnt play well in this spot imo. I know you are going to disagree with me on that
I dont mind making it 30K and folding to a shove pre, but I prob just fold.
Flop I go for c/r even if he checks back we get a free card its not the end of the world.
As played its a tricky spot, I prob go for b/c
Why don't you just ask him how much he has, slowly count it out, say "you like that card don't you" looking at the ace and just put him all in exactly ? If he's as tight as you say he may put you on a set and fold thinking about cashing. Even if he calls you might hit and defo win from there then churn out the "you gotta get lucky to win a tourney" old chestnut. It may seem over aggressive but your fold equity is all you have at that moment and it'll be a good buzz. Worth the risk don't you think ? Better than calling off a reraise just to be in the same old spin up.
You'll still have a decent stack if it doesn't work out.
This is one of the three lines I set out. To be honest though if I were to do that I would do it without the speechplay. Trust me, all but the very very best give away more information by speaking to their opponent than makes it worthwile. Its not what you say, its how you say it. Much better to remain a blank slate.
So simply announced allin after the tank. Guy hates it. Havent been snapped so felt like I've made the right bet. He makes a good read and puts me in the range where I am, connected clubs. So says on that basis he hates it but has to call, showing A4o. River bricks, he wins.
Issue then was none of my positional bets got through and ended up 4th.
So do you all hate putting him in here, or happy with the line? its bugged me abit today. Thoughts appreciated.
A-4 os lol.
I never really hang around so dont know if he won. But with his stack he ought to have.
However if he doesnt hit the turn he cant call second barrell.
If he puts you on backdoor clubs, he must have a serious read on you. I prefer b/c to shove (prob makes very little difference though), I doubt he ever folds an A (you had no weak As in his range anyway, and you should have very few As in your range). Tbh I think donking flop looks weak , it would be a weird line with a big hand this shallow, unless you have history that says different.
But look at all the info in regard to picking it up uncontested vs stoic opponent, combined with equity of hand. Tournamentt stage and opponents equity in prize pool in relation to stacks at table (guestimate since I said he was second in chips). Obv with different flops I take different lines, but as I'm not folding turn, setting him in seems optimal? No?
How do you play it from flop if we concede that we do flat pre bud?
my 3bet pre line is prob cos I spew post
Indulge me and tell me what line you take at turn yb