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call or fold

Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
edited September 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
marshall11 Small blind £0.05 £0.05 £8.46
AJ_Rockets Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £19.69
MADMAC007 Big blind  £0.10 £0.25 £9.90
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • A
     
MADMAC007 Check     
alcando Fold     
Batkin88 Raise  £0.40 £0.65 £19.20
marshall11 Fold     
AJ_Rockets Fold     
MADMAC007 Call  £0.30 £0.95 £9.60
Flop
   
  • J
  • 10
  • 2
     
MADMAC007 Check     
Batkin88 Bet  £0.71 £1.66 £18.49
MADMAC007 Call  £0.71 £2.37 £8.89
Turn
   
  • 10
     
MADMAC007 Check     
Batkin88 Bet  £1.20 £3.57 £17.29
MADMAC007 Call  £1.20 £4.77 £7.69
River
   
  • 5
     
MADMAC007 Bet  £4.77 £9.54 £2.92
Batkin88 ????    
  
   
  
   
      
This all just seemed a bit odd and didnt really make sense, who would call here and why and also who would fold and why??
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited September 2011
    His range is uber polarised here.  Its either a overbet bluff with a huge hand, or missed spades.  I would likely have checked turn to c/c river.

    If he's a prankster its a call.  If he's solid its a fold.  Without more info I wouldnt really like to guess.  Main thing that would concern me though is he knows you must have some kind of hand.  With what he leaves himself it looks like he wants a call.  A SCbluff would just ship the lot.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited September 2011
    I would prob fold, cos call/call/lead big is nearly always a fish with a hand in my experience. Prob sometimes a missed draw though

    I check back turn sometimes, betting prob fine though
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited September 2011
    Fold , why ?? cos i know the oppo pretty well
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited September 2011
    Raise smaller pre, 3x is my standard.

    Flop, turn good.

    Sudden pot bet on river is strange, if I'm playing well I can fold, if in anyway tilted I snap it off lol.
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: call or fold:
    [QUOTE]Raise smaller pre, 3x is my standard. Flop, turn good. Sudden pot bet on river is strange, if I'm playing well I can fold, if in anyway tilted I snap it off lol.
    Posted by Dudeskin8

    I would but as on button i wanted to price out blinds to calling with junk hands, he was calling quickly on flop and turn and did put him on a drawing hand or 2nd pair at best, i bet small on turn to pot control on the basis anything non spade or lower than a jack i call.
    The problem with this hand is i played against Mickjenn before and he did near enough the same bet against me at a higher level and i called him with ace high and he turned over a flopped house lol! (That hand will never ever leave me)

    I will post hand shortly
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  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited September 2011
    check back turn and call river bet if he makes one to get to a cheaper show down
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited September 2011
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    marshall11 Small blind £0.05 £0.05 £8.46
    AJ_Rockets Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £19.69
    MADMAC007 Big blind  £0.10 £0.25 £9.90
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
    		     
    MADMAC007 Check     
    alcando Fold     
    Batkin88 Raise  £0.40 £0.65 £19.20
    marshall11 Fold     
    AJ_Rockets Fold     
    MADMAC007 Call  £0.30 £0.95 £9.60
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 10
    • 2
    		     
    MADMAC007 Check     
    Batkin88 Bet  £0.71 £1.66 £18.49
    MADMAC007 Call  £0.71 £2.37 £8.89
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    MADMAC007 Check     
    Batkin88 Bet  £1.20 £3.57 £17.29
    MADMAC007 Call  £1.20 £4.77 £7.69
    River
       
    • 5
    		     
    MADMAC007 Bet  £4.77 £9.54 £2.92
    Batkin88 Call  £4.77 £14.31 £12.52
    MADMAC007 Show
    • A
    • 9
    		   
    Batkin88 Show
    • J
    • A
    		   
    Batkin88 Win Two Pairs, Jacks and 10s £13.23  £25.75
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited September 2011
    Wow im adding that 1 to my notes ;))
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited September 2011
    Missed value lol

    I guess you have some solid reads now.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited September 2011
    I snap call, doesnt make sense here the line they have taken if they have a 10 its pretty odd. looks like busted fd or total air imo. Although im pretty confident we're ahead i wouldnt be re-raising as we are only ever getting called by better.
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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27 Member Posts: 3,752
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: call or fold:
    Raise smaller pre, 3x is my standard. Flop, turn good. Sudden pot bet on river is strange, if I'm playing well I can fold, if in anyway tilted I snap it off lol.
    Posted by Dudeskin8

    Villain had posted blind  as they had just joined the table so 4x pre is fine.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: call or fold:
    In Response to Re: call or fold : Villain had posted blind  as they had just joined the table so 4x pre is fine.
    Posted by AcidMan27
    Yep missed that.
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  • mattlessmattless Member Posts: 194
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: call or fold:
    Fold , why ?? cos i know the oppo pretty well
    Posted by debdobs_67
    I have seen results now, but as I scrolled down I hadn't. My first thought to this post was I know opponent and it is a call every time against him!
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