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River shove - call or fold?

silentbobsilentbob Member Posts: 2,137
edited September 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Villains been sat at the table with me for a good hour or so. He's been getting involved in a fair few pots & once he decides to see a flop he rarely let's go pre.

One hand in particular stood out for me regarding villain earlier in the session. I was in the BB, UTG raised 4x & villain min 3b UTG+1. Button called & the blinds folded. The original raiser (UTG) then shoved for ~110BB. Villain snapped him off for ~70BB (fwiw the guy on the button snapped it off too but that's irrelevant). Villains' 3b & subsequent call to the 4b shove was with QJs so I now know that he loves any kind of SC.

With that in mind I was wary when he lead out on the flop but called as I had position & could re-evaluate on the turn. Turn card is both good & bad for me imo. If he's flopped the straight then I can only win by housing up. Is this a bad call on the turn here or should I just let go?

A total blank on the river gives me a tough decision. I've got a strong hand but knowing his love of all things connected I could easily be beat here. Does anyone make the call here?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
VILLAIN Small blind  £0.04 £0.04 £16.74
TheRat1 Big blind  £0.08 £0.12 £4.06
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • A
   
Mikes_Nuts Fold     
silentbob Raise  £0.32 £0.44 £22.99
keeley0244 Fold     
VILLAIN Call  £0.28 £0.72 £16.46
TheRat1 Call  £0.24 £0.96 £3.82
Flop
  
  • 9
  • 10
  • K
   
VILLAIN Bet  £0.96 £1.92 £15.50
TheRat1 Fold     
silentbob Call  £0.96 £2.88 £22.03
Turn
  
  • K
   
VILLAIN Bet  £2.88 £5.76 £12.62
silentbob Call  £2.88 £8.64 £19.15
River
  
  • 3
   
VILLAIN All-in  £12.62 £21.26 £0.00
silentbob Call or Fold?    

Comments

  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited September 2011
    i think u can put him on the king here, maybe AK aswell or more likely KQ KJ due to your reads and him leading out so strong so yes i would make the call, if he turns over the str8 or a set of 9's or tens then ul but from what you say he could have anything and betting this strong so i think ur ahead.
    For the record if your not happy on turn fold or raise (Raise being for info)
  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited September 2011
    The way its played out i cant fold the river and im hoping he turns KQ KJ
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: River shove - call or fold?:
    i think u can put him on the king here, maybe AK aswell or more likely KQ KJ due to your reads and him leading out so strong so yes i would make the call, if he turns over the str8 or a set of 9's or tens then ul but from what you say he could have anything and betting this strong so i think ur ahead. For the record if your not happy on turn fold or raise (Raise being for info)
    Posted by Batkin88
    Yh I wouldn't be doing this too often lol

    As for hand I probably call flop as well, turn when bet into again I raise and get it in.

    As played snap river bet off.
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited September 2011
    I'd snap of the river as you have underrepresented your hand, if they have QJ then just make a note that next time they shove with the nuts, also bit of a weird shove if they have a flush i have to call
  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited September 2011
    its a tough spot do u think the villian would lead out on the flop and turn for the pot and shove the river wae hands like kq,kj, hands that u beat if yes call or is the villian doin it with qj,10s,9s,k10 or k9 hands that have us beat if u dont have any notes on player a personally call and make a note whatever the outcome but im not 100% confident im good here but you do have a strong hand.
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited September 2011

    I might raise flop

    I definitely raise turn, and its not for info, its for big fat value

    call river

  • silentbobsilentbob Member Posts: 2,137
    edited September 2011
    Thanks peeps.

    In hindsight I think my biggest mistake was probably just calling the turn. If, as suggested, I'd raised there then the river is a snap call.

    As it was I folded at the last second. There was just something telling me I was behind here but I can't quite put my finger on what it was. I kinda wish I'd called now just to see what he was doing this with but it seemed like an expensive way to find out.
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