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seriously missing something
sillymunch
Member Posts: 299
ok now its got to the level where i KNOW im seriously missing something, i got the chance to watch TheDon yesterday, he told me which table he would go on to make money, he even named the player that was going to give him the money, i attempted to join him on that table and yes Don took half the guys stack (the guy started with over £20
now me, i am on the same table, i make the same raise sizes, he is guessing my cards saying that its a good thing he can guess my cards cus that means im playing ABC poker properly, and yet, i lost 3 BIs, my 2 pair getting beaten by better 2 pairs, my flushes getting beaten by Full houses.
Now im putting it down to cus everyone wanted to take that same guys money, but the fact is he was able to tell me who he would get his money from, he knew he could get players to call his pot sized raises, and yet whenever im at a table i put a half pot raise in and everyone folds, except of course when they have something, and whenever they have something, i always have something aswell, whether it be trips two pairs, flush draws, so what am i missing, how can someone go to the lobby and chose the right table?
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I think you made some major mistakes tho. I can tell you if you want my opinion.
It will be criticism but i will make sure it's constructive.
I was able to pick up on sillymuch's range a little better and i discussed inparticular the two pair hand. Ill get critised for this but the villian who stacked him in the hand in question i dont think ever has worse. I cant remember the other hand where you got stacked mate.
If you can, post em up and we can discuss in more detail.
Also for note, post up any hands your unsure of, ive filled the clinic before (not recommended btw) but by posting regular on the clinic ive vastly improved my game. Also speak to Dohhhhh and get his guide to NL4, ive not read it myself as i speak with him alot, but its rated as one of the best. The guys a genuis.
KJos oop - tight, but fold pre when hand's already been raised.
T7c - fold pre.
A8d - fold pre.
I've sat in and watched a couple of your sessions I've thought that you were playing the table fish without too much thought for the table shark sat with position on you, and that your range is too wide.
Problem is with your range that if you hit someone may easily have hit harder, and if you limp in anything is possible.
Just fold em all pre.
Hand 2 - Again fold pre if you want to play it (wouldn't recommend) come in with a raise. As played I might even bet out on flop to find out where i was in the hand. I think with all that action on the turn you can still fold.
Hand 3 - Just really ugly fold pre again - If not come in with a raise. As played I get it all in on the flop with the nut flush draw and middle pair. i think the way you played it it's an easy fold on the turn?
Over all pre flop play is terrible all 3 hands i think are an easy fold pre flop. The way those hands have been played makes you look like a NL4 fish. You'd made decisions alot easier down the streets for yourself with better play preflop.
Ok Munch. I watched for about 1/2 an hour till just after Don_90 left and i couldn't see your cards ( obv ) but some things were very clear.
Table selection. Don had a 4 bi stack and so did another player. Another had just over 3 bi stack. The other 2 had normal full buy in but looked a bit tightish. This isn't the best table to sit down at. Try to find tables where there are some people in for less than full bi. And not bad boys with monstie stax. There were some i checked.
I thought you were playing too many hands, passively and oop. You can't keep calling off Dons ( or any other players ) 5x raises oop. Don quite rightly is gonna c-bet most flops and you are going to fold. It's a death sentence.
You need to review your starting hand selection with regards to position and fold more hands like Q-9 os oop to button raises. You need to play your strong hands in position by re-raising. Try not to call so much. Be aware that when it goes utg raise, you call, bad boy don for example on button RAISE you fold- this is donation. Think about the people behind you and how you are going to react.
You did something real bad. I wasn't going to type fold man in the chatbox but i felt like it because it was obvious someone had flopped BIG. He had 7s-9s and flopped str8. You were calling off MASSIVE bets on a flush draw that improved to tp on turn. That turn bet he made was screaming fold but you didn't ( you had Ad-8d ) you must obey pot odds rule or it's suicide. With your stack size there were no implied odds to remotely justify it.
As a general overview after 5 minutes it was obvious that Don was the better player on the evidence. He was on your left
Look maybe you were having a bad day. I couldn't see your cards. You need to read Dohhhhs guide again. If you understand it you have to implement it in your play. Not sure ask Dohhhh or anyone.
I think you should tighten up. Focus more on position. Think re-raise or fold more than call. Choose softer tables. Try not to sit on right of known regs that outchip you 4-1. Obey pot odds always ( to start with ).
I am not Phil Ivey ok and i don't want to trash you. It was late too maybe you were a bit tired ?
Don't play sub-optimally just because you think a player is weaker. You can win the stax of the impetuous people that jump in short. Try not to let greed make you lose patience. Try not to think of people as fish. It's all relative. Do not overestimate your ability. Always think I AM A FISH MUST TRY HARDER because it will always be true throughout your poker life. Always more to learn for everybody.
Please take this positively. I do not mean to offend, i want you to succeed. I believe that you can do a lot better and show good willingness. Dohhhh is loads better than me. If you post up hands listen to him. It'll be worth it. You read Don's diary, it takes hard work and losing and bad beats etc etc to learn. GL man !
Firstly, sorry munchy but just fold pre please. Really getting in OOP with A8 here is a killer. One the flop you flat twice. You have a pair + NFD your huge in this hand. Re-raise the 32p and jam over the re-raise imo. Ok so he has 97 thats just harshly unluky, but tbh theres only 4 hands i hate to be all in against here.
black mass i think that would be useful. I was reading things blind and discussing hands after they where played, problem being i was playing 2 tables with a number of serious fish and therefore a few times missed vital info. I was able to pick up on sillymuch's range a little better and i discussed inparticular the two pair hand. Ill get critised for this but the villian who stacked him in the hand in question i dont think ever has worse. I cant remember the other hand where you got stacked mate. If you can, post em up and we can discuss in more detail. Also for note, post up any hands your unsure of, ive filled the clinic before (not recommended btw) but by posting regular on the clinic ive vastly improved my game. Also speak to Dohhhhh and get his guide to NL4, ive not read it myself as i speak with him alot, but its rated as one of the best. The guys a genuis.
Posted by The_Don90
You appeared to play a solid game to me and you were running fairly well at same time by looks of things. Your raise-sizing seemed good and you exploited position well in conjunction with that. You appeared confident.and weren't afraid to let go when you worked out you were behind. Another thing i thought was good was you weren't pushing people around on every button getting yourself into spots and reducing your credibility.
It looked like you had the Dohhhh method rolling nicely.On the evidence of what i saw you played good ABC and just allowed the method to capitalise on other peoples mistakes. You were controlling the dynamic without trying to force it. i was impressed. It seemed very remote from some of the stuff i was reading in the earlier parts of your diary.
Tbh if you continue to play like that i don't really see the point in sharing a table with you esp. oop. ( i don't like the 5x raise, it's hassle ) I'll go elsewhere and take my chances i think. You offer poor value The_Don90.
I'm no expert by any means so don't let it go to your head
I've sat in and watched a couple of your sessions I've thought that you were playing the table fish without too much thought for the table shark sat with position on you, and that your range is too wide. Problem is with your range that if you hit someone may easily have hit harder, and if you limp in anything is possible.
Posted by harding10
+1 and more concise