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Flopped flush no good?

WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
edited September 2011 in The Poker Clinic
I haven't noticed this guy before until this hand and I haven't noticed anyone bet full pot at all.  My thought process is that there is less than a 1% chance he has air or a draw, he either has a set or two pair he is protecting against a flush draw or he has the made flush, probably the latter, but I haven't played him enough to be sure.  The fact that he is sat nearly 100bb deep tips me off that he might be solid as most fish don't sit quite so deep, however I'm new to this table so I can't assume that he bought in for the full amount.

Oh, and the reason I flat the flop is because I'm already suspecting he has me beat and I'm going for pot control and if he bluffs me off the pot if another diamond hits, fair play to him.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
JackoG9 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £3.88
Wilhelm Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £4.73
jabs366 Big blind   £0.04 £0.10 £1.56
  Your hole cards
  • 3
  • 4
     
Vespillo Fold        
jabs366 Check        
whyowhyo Call   £0.04 £0.14 £2.12
Avro Call   £0.04 £0.18 £2.76
JackoG9 Call   £0.02 £0.20 £3.86
Wilhelm Check        
Flop
   
  • 9
  • 5
  • 2
     
JackoG9 Bet   £0.20 £0.40 £3.66
Wilhelm Call   £0.20 £0.60 £4.53
jabs366 Fold        
whyowhyo Call   £0.20 £0.80 £1.92
Avro Call   £0.20 £1.00 £2.56
Turn
   
  • A
     
JackoG9 Bet   £1.00 £2.00 £2.66
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  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited September 2011
    Also, the fact that I have 2 outs if I am behind did cross my mind.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited September 2011
    Re-name thread title "flopped flush extreeeeeeemely good!"  :)

    edit* - shove turn now.
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  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good?:
    Re-name thread title "flopped flush extreeeeeeemely good!"  :)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    What do you think he is betting pot with?
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited September 2011
    anything its nl4 they have have 2 pair/sets top pair, Adiamonds

    get in on turn imo, if he has a better flush its a cooler
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited September 2011

    Top pair, 2 pair, pair + diamond, overpair, bare high diamond, set and made flushes.
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  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good?:
    anything its nl4 they have have 2 pair/sets top pair get in on turn imo
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    In my mind there is no way that he only has top pair.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good?:
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good? : In my mind there is no way that he only has top pair.
    Posted by Wilhelm
    lol dont level yourself its nl4 he can have it, obviously higher flush is going to be a very small % of his range here more likely 2 pair IMO
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  • leon621leon621 Member Posts: 266
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good?:
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good? : In my mind there is no way that he only has top pair.
    Posted by Wilhelm
    your thinking about it too much, get it in now. There is no point assuming how someone is playing when you have no idea. He might have you beat (not likely) but he could be holding top pair or anything remember you have no reads so dont assume.
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  • JBussJBuss Member Posts: 245
    edited September 2011
    Put it all in the middle, I think he has two pair. He did represent a strong hand on pre-flop therefore its unlikely he has AA,AK (unless diamonds) ,KK, even so, you are still beating him unless the board pairs on the river.

    He might have the Ace of Diamonds in the hole but I am still putting my chips in the middle here regardless.

    Jonathan
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  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good?:
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good? : your thinking about it too much, get it in now. There is no point assuming how someone is playing when you have no idea. He might have you beat (not likely) but he could be holding top pair or anything remember you have no reads so dont assume.
    Posted by leon621
    I'm not assuming, I'm just going by what I think the average NL4 player would do.  Most would stack off with J9 here, but I'm not sure how many would pot two streets with worse than a made flush.  There are a lot of mistakes to exploit at NL4, but they're not complete morons.
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  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited September 2011
    Having said that, maybe I am levelling myself.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good?:
    Having said that, maybe I am levelling myself.
    Posted by Wilhelm
    ding! ding! dont level yourself at nl4 they 99% are rubbish and play to see flops and bet with anything
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited September 2011

    you flopped a flush at nl4 what are you thinking about!?

    just ship it you will be good the vast majority of the time!


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  • leon621leon621 Member Posts: 266
    edited September 2011
    well maybe assume may of been the wrong word but surely you can understand what im saying your comparing one play by a player you dont know to most of the nl4 players, personally i would think alot of players would do similar with Ad9 to be honest and thats at nl4-nl10.
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  • sillymunchsillymunch Member Posts: 299
    edited September 2011
    Only thing i gotta ask, is when your putting your money in pre flop, what are you hoping for?

    if its a flush then you got what you wanted, if its a straight you also got that to

    If your willing to let this one go then my recommendation is dont go in preflop with suited connectors xD
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  • BLACK_MASSBLACK_MASS Member Posts: 401
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good?:
    Only thing i gotta ask, is when your putting your money in pre flop, what are you hoping for? if its a flush then you got what you wanted, if its a straight you also got that to If your willing to let this one go then my recommendation is dont go in preflop with suited connectors xD
    Posted by sillymunch
    He was BB man.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited September 2011
    havent read replies, but raise flop, flatting allows too many scarecards to fall

    as played fistpump shove turn, cry when 4th diamond comes on river
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  • sillymunchsillymunch Member Posts: 299
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good?:
    In Response to Re: Flopped flush no good? : He was BB man.
    Posted by BLACK_MASS
    ahhh yeah my bad :)
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited September 2011
    just read OP 
    You got flopped flush with SFD, what more you want - just get it in/raise it 
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  • jugglegeekjugglegeek Member Posts: 623
    edited September 2011
    What we have here is a flush at NL4 with two outs against any other flush. Four ways to the pot and a player bets full pot and gets called by three other players. Then a non-diamond ace comes out and a player has bet out of possition full pot again. You still have the flush.

    I would think that he has a rag, off-suit ace with a diamond. He may have two pair with the ace of diamonds. But it's just as likely he has no diamonds and still thinks that he is golden.

    Just jam the turn. If he has a better flush then you still have two outs for the nuts. I'm guessing he didn't have the nut flush and you binked a straight flush on the river then. Otherwise this post would be in BB&V.
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