Hello! 3 PLO things I'd say were essential to consider all the time are (just got in from a 18 hour live session so bear with me!) 1) Don't play bad draws (espcially out of position) - remember there are nearly 250 times more combo's of hands in PLO than NLHE, so dominating draws are common. The problem with "NON NUT" draws when we call or chk call without being able to make the nuts is when we make our hand it's very difficult to play them efficiently. If we're OOP and we've made our hand, we don't have the nuts, so we chk and often our oppo will air on the side of caution and check back when we bet him, and as a result when he bets, will often have a better hand, making it very difficult to chk call also. If we bet we get a lot of folds from worse hands, calls from better hands and leave ourselves wide open to get raised as a bluff. As a general rule it's not a good idea to try and draw to hands that will put us into tough spots and will be very difficult to gain value from, but will be easy for our opponents to get value from us - avoid this by firstly not calling with too many not nut hands when you're going to be OOP preflop. 2) PLAY TIGHT FROM THE BLINDS - unquestionabley the biggest leak you see as stnd from PLO players is playing too loose from the SB and BB, where people go wrong IMO - calling too many bad rundowns and non nun hands from the blinds, hands like 3567, AQ96 with out the nut suit etc, hands that will flop bad draws (case of point 1) - 3betting too many KK**'s and AA**'s - a lot of big pair combo's have really bad playability postflop, OOP, in HOLDEM it's a fashionable strategy to 3bet players who open wide in late position from the blinds, this isn't an appealing strategy in PLO because people fold to 3bets far less frequently and even " a wide range of hands" will be in half decent shape vs even the strongest of hands we could 3bet. hands like bad AA**'s (AA74single etc) and bad to mid KK**'s (AKK6single, KK62r etc) do not play well vs virtually any range, JUST CALL! If it's EVER a close desicion in the blinds, o if you're unsure if it's a call or a fold, then 99/100 times - ITS A FOLD. 3) **tOURNAMENT PLO** the fewer big blinds, the bigger the cards! - in PLO tournaments HUGE mistakes I see people make all the time is with short stacks, under 20/25 big blinds the value of rundown hands like 5678 decrease rapidly, and the value of "HIGH CARD" hands like AKT9 with a suit and big pairs, AJJ9, QQ97, KK45 etc all drastically increase. This is because people naturally adapt the hands they stack off with preflop to include weaker high card/big pair hands, these do great vs rundowns, but not vs a stronger range of "BIG" hands. When you're short stacked in PLO tourneys play very tight, and wait for realy strong equitable hands and to take advantage of people's lack of understanding for this point In response to the questions about starting hands, again as a great rule try to be as tight OOP as you can and look for hands that will have NUT potential (high cards with suited ACEs etc), as you get later in position you can be a bit more speculative more profitabley, always keep an eye on how the player to your left is playing, is he the type to let us steal position often - playing passively, or is he aggrresive and likely not to want to let us steal his late position too often. Here is a pretty good article from pokershark about starting hand selection (admitedly, I did write it, but w/e lol ) - I can only find the final draft on this PC so might have a cuple of spelling errors/typo's sorry for that in advance. download here - http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=715931&dv=1 (feedback welcome) Hope this is helpful Posted by MkeItRain
Wow, that's some Post, thank you, & thank you for the other 5 Posts you have made today, that's some debut you have made on sky Poker Forum, more please.
I have a pretty strong feeling I know who you are, too.....;)
In Response to Re: Omaha for COMPLETE BEGINNERS : Yes, I have seen it Denis, thank you. We have a LOT of "Beginners" & then subsequently, "Internediate" Omaha stuff planned & in the pipeline already for the next few weeks, so bear with me please, so we can slot it all together nicely. I'll try & reply to you tomorrow, ditto to the other matter you contacted me about. Be really good to rev up the Omaha. Posted by Tikay10
For those not aware, Mr "MkeItRain" is one of the best, & most articulate, Omaha players you would ever meet, despite his tender years. (He's younger than Delaney).
He dominates the Poker Hand Analysis Board elsewhere with incisive comments, & is much respected by all. Plays big Omaha cash games, live & Online, but his real skill is explaining how Omaha works, & helping others understand the higher level basics.
Right now, he is off to Vegas, to grind the Live Omaha games, & I'm meeting up with out there him in a few weeks for Dinner, at a KFC, I hope.
When we get back, I'm hopeful he will be helping us out here with his Omaha expertise. I can coach the basic Level 1 & 2 stuff, but we need something like him for the bigger, more advanced stuff. He da man.
For those not aware, Mr "MkeItRain" is one of the best, & most articulate, Omaha players you would ever meet, despite his tender years. (He's younger than Delaney). He dominates the Poker Hand Analysis Board elsewhere with incisive comments, & is much respected by all. Plays big Omaha cash games, live & Online, but his real skill is explaining how Omaha works, & helping others understand the higher level basics. Right now, he is off to Vegas, to grind the Live Omaha games, & I'm meeting up with out there him in a few weeks for Dinner, at a KFC, I hope. When we get back, I'm hopeful he will be helping us out here with his Omaha expertise. I can coach the basic Level 1 & 2 stuff, but we need something like him for the bigger, more advanced stuff. He da man. Posted by Tikay10
finally i lose the young title above my ahead (although i doubt it as i am not old enough to go to vegas yet *sigh*)
YG tip, dont chase a straight on a paired board Position is key as it is in holdem dont call every hand pre look to play good Drawingig hands eg. 7/8/9/10 hands that work well together and preferably double suited. Dont get attached to AAxx/KKxx unless you hit a set your not often going to win the pot and dont try getting it all in pre as your never going to be more then 55% favourate pre Posted by YOUNG_GUN
If the blinds are worth stealing is it not best to play the AA xx all in pre, even if its a bad AA like AA410 as your stil likely to be ahead of all hands before the cards come down ?
In Response to Re: Omaha for COMPLETE BEGINNERS : If the blinds are worth stealing is it not best to play the AA xx all in pre, even if its a bad AA like AA410 as your stil likely to be ahead of all hands before the cards come down ? Posted by MP33
It's usually - almost always, in fact - Pot Limit, so getting it all in Pre is not possible unless Villain "co-operates". "One pair" is rarely going to be good by the River, though. You'd be about 55/45 pre-flop against a good Omaha hand, so essentially a flip.
Hi Tikay, will there ever be a sequel? With OHL2 going strong and FLOPS/UKOPS having PLO events the interest in Omaha is stronger than ever, so I think there are many 4-card novices out there who would appreciate you sharing some of your wisdom. Thanks!
Hi Tikay, will there ever be a sequel? With OHL2 going strong and FLOPS/UKOPS having PLO events the interest in Omaha is stronger than ever, so I think there are many 4-card novices out there who would appreciate you sharing some of your wisdom. Thanks! Posted by Giant811
+1. Played OHL2 after winning free entries and loved it. Looking forward to the next parts Tikay.
Hi Tikay, will there ever be a sequel? With OHL2 going strong and FLOPS/UKOPS having PLO events the interest in Omaha is stronger than ever, so I think there are many 4-card novices out there who would appreciate you sharing some of your wisdom. Thanks! Posted by Giant811
Yes!
Some other matters got in the way - workload mainly - but the series will continue shortly.
In Response to Re: Omaha for COMPLETE BEGINNERS : If the blinds are worth stealing is it not best to play the AA xx all in pre, even if its a bad AA like AA410 as your stil likely to be ahead of all hands before the cards come down ? Posted by MP33
AA** hands, like someone else said are at their strongest preflop for the most part so (speshly OOP) the main goal is usually to try and get as MUCH % of your stack in as possible preflop, if you can get over 50% of your chips in preflop HU this means you can stack off on nearly any flop post flop profitabley and more importantly you aren't going to be put in horrible spots where its easy to make mistakes, as most of the time you're going to have 1pair aces for the duration of the hand... if you dont think you'll be able to get a chunk in best to play them slow, unless they are really sick aces, with two suits, AA89dbl etc or have broadwayd cards with them.
Thanks for the kind words Tikay! See you in veggggggggaaaaasssssssssssss!
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I have a pretty strong feeling I know who you are, too.....;)
Welcome aboard, & thank you.
PS - For me, that Link does not work.
N1 Tony.
For those not aware, Mr "MkeItRain" is one of the best, & most articulate, Omaha players you would ever meet, despite his tender years. (He's younger than Delaney).
He dominates the Poker Hand Analysis Board elsewhere with incisive comments, & is much respected by all. Plays big Omaha cash games, live & Online, but his real skill is explaining how Omaha works, & helping others understand the higher level basics.
Right now, he is off to Vegas, to grind the Live Omaha games, & I'm meeting up with out there him in a few weeks for Dinner, at a KFC, I hope.
When we get back, I'm hopeful he will be helping us out here with his Omaha expertise. I can coach the basic Level 1 & 2 stuff, but we need something like him for the bigger, more advanced stuff. He da man.
finally i lose the young title above my ahead (although i doubt it as i am not old enough to go to vegas yet *sigh*)
Some other matters got in the way - workload mainly - but the series will continue shortly.