In Response to Re: 90% confident gd enough?? : Answers to ure questions 1. No i aint against it i just dont ALWAYS do it ( not sure what the LOL was for tho , sarcasm prob ?? ) 2. There is nowt wrong with floating AK to try and hit is there ?? 3. Why NOT bet if weve both missed he folds , should do , BUT ive already put him on a missed draw so lets continue with the hand 4. Well i call his all in cos i believe i have the best hand , not sure why ya say i FLAT this as i cant re-raise can i ?? LOL Posted by debdobs_67
1. I think 3betting is better as you get value from worse hands, as you play it you often miss like here and without soul reads, which you clearly have, you just check fold.
2. You say floating but you know he's bluffing so you don't even need to hit, if he bets the turn half pot do you just call again or raise as a bluff or fold with Ace high ?
3. If you've both missed and you put him on lower high cards than you then surely you should just let him bluff on river as betting turn makes him fold most times and you lose value (here obvz he called turn with air too but most won't and will instead take stab on river where you call as you KNOW it' a bluff.
4. Flat/call same thing, as for knowing I still can't be sure on that, say if it was at NL100 with players playing eachother over thousands of hands then concrete reads can be forged but I can't see how you can do that, for example yes he plays Q10 this way, but do you know if he plays stright draws the same, 46 for instance (yes unlikely in SB but cud happen if aggro) could cbet flop with draw check turn when hit, flat your bet then shove river, bad line of course but he could do that. Also any flush draw, cbet flop on draw, slow down on turn flat your halfpot bet wiv nice odds then boom he hits and goes for max value.
All of ure points are perfectly valid dude mate and as ive said this was simply ONE occasion , but my thread was purely based on IF i believe that I do have the correct read ie 90% sure then do i HAVE to call the river shove.
really nice call debs I do agree with some of their posts it does look nuts but we aint at the table with this opponent and seen what has been goin on so go with your gut if u strongly think he has nothing at all well i say wp,only one question though y dont you 3 bet the hand pre ?
posting hands in forums where you are making calls like this is pointless w/o giving us reads or previous history. in a vacuum it looks bad. with reads/dynamics etc it can be good Posted by LOL_RAISE
There was 3 previous occasions when villian had done some thing on river (tho not all in) just 1/2-3/4 pot bets and been called and shown nothing , ive got notes that villian has done this b4 and seems well cabable of tryin to steal the pot on the river , all with Paint Cards , the only river tbh that woulda made me fold was a Q or a J as this was in his range of hands and obv i was holdin neither , obv IF hes playin with me and got AA KK QQ JJ then well played to him. There have obv been scores of times when ive been in similar situations and have folded insta but felt a strong feel i was gonna be correct this time.
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2. You say floating but you know he's bluffing so you don't even need to hit, if he bets the turn half pot do you just call again or raise as a bluff or fold with Ace high ?
3. If you've both missed and you put him on lower high cards than you then surely you should just let him bluff on river as betting turn makes him fold most times and you lose value (here obvz he called turn with air too but most won't and will instead take stab on river where you call as you KNOW it' a bluff.
4. Flat/call same thing, as for knowing I still can't be sure on that, say if it was at NL100 with players playing eachother over thousands of hands then concrete reads can be forged but I can't see how you can do that, for example yes he plays Q10 this way, but do you know if he plays stright draws the same, 46 for instance (yes unlikely in SB but cud happen if aggro) could cbet flop with draw check turn when hit, flat your bet then shove river, bad line of course but he could do that. Also any flush draw, cbet flop on draw, slow down on turn flat your halfpot bet wiv nice odds then boom he hits and goes for max value.
in a vacuum it looks bad.
with reads/dynamics etc it can be good
There have obv been scores of times when ive been in similar situations and have folded insta but felt a strong feel i was gonna be correct this time.