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How much??

debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
edited September 2011 in The Poker Clinic
What should i be making my 4bet size here ??
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Vaper Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £20.08
bBig blind  £0.20 £0.30 £7.67
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
   
AlphaShark Fold     
debdobs_67 Raise  £0.80 £1.10 £28.67
a Raise  £2.40 £3.50 £19.51
SPENO10 Fold     
Vaper Fold     
b Call  £2.20   
debdobs_67 Raise  ?????  
      
      
      
  

   
  

   
  


   
  
   
  
   
      
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited September 2011
    £5.80-£7 id probably bet £6.40 but depends on the individuals to be specific
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited September 2011

    Ty YG , also do i want 2 players in this pot OR is 1 goin to be better in this situation ?

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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: How much??:
    Ty YG , also do i want 2 players in this pot OR is 1 goin to be better in this situation ?
    Posted by debdobs_67
    Preferably 1 imo because its less cards to dodge etc, but it depends what they're holding and what their ranges are also. I wouldn't take mine as gospel but thats roughly what i would bet x
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited September 2011


    Ideally you'd want the short stacker all in pre, and a call from the other guy.

    Then you can bet/get it in on 97% of flops. Prob just shove on most of um.

    Make it 6


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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited September 2011
    £6.23 and praying A shoves
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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27 Member Posts: 3,752
    edited September 2011
    I'd go for £6.66.
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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited September 2011
    I`d prob make it about £7 to £8 ish 
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited September 2011
    OOPS so far it seems i may have overbet ;))
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited September 2011
    I might just call.
    If I 4bet I make it 5.80, and I definitely want both players in pot
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited September 2011
    I always re raise 3x the pot at the time but thats at 4NL and 8NL. 15 quid may be too much at this level lol.

    I still make it a tenner or so. That doesnt mean its anywhere near right. 

    How do you determine the size, is there a standard rule or anything?

    I just make it BIG at lower stakes.


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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited September 2011

    3 times pot is massive. 4betting small is so you can 4b/f as a bluff sometimes. This gets difficult if you put in more than about 1/4 of your stack. Usually about 2.5x the 3bet or a little less is about right. If you are going to 3x pot here just shove

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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited September 2011
    Ok heres what i did and how it played out , please all feel free to make a comment

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Vaper Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £20.08
    bBig blind  £0.20 £0.30 £7.67
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		   
    AlphaShark Fold     
    debdobs_67 Raise  £0.80 £1.10 £28.67
    andybeth Raise  £2.40 £3.50 £19.51
    SPENO10 Fold     
    Vaper Fold     
    b Call  £2.20 £5.70 £5.47
    debdobs_67 Raise  £8.60 £14.30 £20.07
    andybeth Fold     
    bAll-in  £5.47 £19.77 £0.00
    debdobs_67 Unmatched bet  £1.53 £18.24 £21.60
    b Show
    • K
    • 8
    		   
    debdobs_67 Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 2
    • 4
    • 2
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 8
    		   
    River
      
    • J
    		   
    debdobs_67 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 2s £17.32  £38.92
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: How much??:
    3 times pot is massive. 4betting small is so you can 4b/f as a bluff sometimes. This gets difficult if you put in more than about 1/4 of your stack. Usually about 2.5x the 3bet or a little less is about right. If you are going to 3x pot here just shove
    Posted by grantorino

    Thanks (again!)

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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited September 2011
    Not bad , but like dohhhh says you have only commited the shortie you need to bare in mind the bigger stack behind them you want it to appear you have some fold equity so they could shove with marginal hands etc

    Generally i go betwen 2x what is in the pot and 3x sometimes just play around in between also if you have a larger stack you want to get involved do it towards the lower end eg. £5.80  so it looks weaker if that makes sense
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited September 2011
    your 3bet is at least 3 pounds too big imo
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: How much??:
    Not bad , but like dohhhh says you have only commited the shortie you need to bare in mind the bigger stack behind them you want it to appear you have some fold equity so they could shove with marginal hands etc Generally i go betwen 2x what is in the pot and 3x sometimes just play around in between also if you have a larger stack you want to get involved do it towards the lower end eg. £5.80  so it looks weaker if that makes sense
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Yeah i may of been a bit greedy as i didnt want the 3bet fella to have any choice but to shove on me
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