best way to see what i'm trying to say is play a nl4 table calling every raise with j10 suited and play another table folding j10 suited and only playing better hands.....i'm confident which table would be more profitable
at the end of the day we all play differently and this is just my personal opinion
Lol I know what you mean Waller, and at these levels it is more profitable to only play premium hands but what Grantorino was saying was that if you get top pair with JT and people are calling bets with Khigh then this is great for you, cos that's how you make money.
I think if your giving advice to players starting out at NL4 then you should say fold this kinda hand pre. Lets face it all new comers starting at NL4 will not know how to play wining post flop poker. If you are a Reg then you should be able to play post flop so really you don't need the advice regarding starting ranges to play ABC winning poker, so therefore disregard the fold pre line )
Yeah but you know I aint a noob so base your advice on what you know about me, even if it is little. I'm a winning cash player in the few months I've been playing micro stakes, just wanted some thoughts on the post flop play here.
Yeah but you know I aint a noob so base your advice on what you know about me, even if it is little. I'm a winning cash player in the few months I've been playing micro stakes, just wanted some thoughts on the post flop play here. Posted by Lambert180
Take from the posts what relate to you, my posts are not biased towards the OP I think all hands are examples that all readers can learn from
Just to take up some of the things have been said:
Waller, I never said I am always calling a raise with JTs. I call in this situation though. I would prefer have reads, not so much to decide whether I call or fold, but to decide how I play postflop
Rancid, OP asked for advice so my advice is aimed at him. As for a newbie I havent thought about it much I would prob tell them to fold, but thats because I dont trust .them not to make mistakes, not because folding is best. I see no reason why posts should be particularly geared towards complete newbies rather than players who understand basics, esp as most posting here do.
There are arguments for folding this pre. The argument that goes "oh but its easier make money with AA" is not one of them. If its profitable play the hand, make more money. If not fold. I call here because we are slightly deep, on the btn and theres a decent chance blinds will come along. These along with the fact that 4NL players betsize badly, cant fold a pair and are often passive give us good implied odds here. I'm never going broke with one pair here without a good read. I prob fold oop readless as it reduces our implied odds significantly especially if we think we cant semibluff, which we often cant at 4NL. There are certain villain types I wouldnt flat against but I doubt there are many at 4NL.
As for the difference between JTs and lower scs, we flop better pairs, straights and flushes. There is more chance we are dominated though and that cards that make draws for us make villain pair or better and vice versa.
Just to take up some of the things have been said: Waller, I never said I am always calling a raise with JTs. I call in this situation though. I would prefer have reads, not so much to decide whether I call or fold, but to decide how I play postflop Rancid, OP asked for advice so my advice is aimed at him. As for a newbie I havent thought about it much I would prob tell them to fold, but thats because I dont trust .them not to make mistakes, not because folding is best. I see no reason why posts should be particularly geared towards complete newbies rather than players who understand basics, esp as most posting here do. There are arguments for folding this pre. The argument that goes "oh but its easier make money with AA" is not one of them. If its profitable play the hand, make more money. If not fold. I call here because we are slightly deep, on the btn and theres a decent chance blinds will come along. These along with the fact that 4NL players betsize badly, cant fold a pair and are often passive give us good implied odds here. I'm never going broke with one pair here without a good read. I prob fold oop readless as it reduces our implied odds significantly especially if we think we cant semibluff, which we often cant at 4NL. There are certain villain types I wouldnt flat against but I doubt there are many at 4NL. As for the difference between JTs and lower scs, we flop better pairs, straights and flushes. There is more chance we are dominated though and that cards that make draws for us make villain pair or better and vice versa. Posted by grantorino
Just to take up some of the things have been said: Waller, I never said I am always calling a raise with JTs. I call in this situation though. I would prefer have reads, not so much to decide whether I call or fold, but to decide how I play postflop Rancid, OP asked for advice so my advice is aimed at him. As for a newbie I havent thought about it much I would prob tell them to fold, but thats because I dont trust .them not to make mistakes, not because folding is best. I see no reason why posts should be particularly geared towards complete newbies rather than players who understand basics, esp as most posting here do. There are arguments for folding this pre. The argument that goes "oh but its easier make money with AA" is not one of them. If its profitable play the hand, make more money. If not fold. I call here because we are slightly deep, on the btn and theres a decent chance blinds will come along. These along with the fact that 4NL players betsize badly, cant fold a pair and are often passive give us good implied odds here. I'm never going broke with one pair here without a good read. I prob fold oop readless as it reduces our implied odds significantly especially if we think we cant semibluff, which we often cant at 4NL. There are certain villain types I wouldnt flat against but I doubt there are many at 4NL. As for the difference between JTs and lower scs, we flop better pairs, straights and flushes. There is more chance we are dominated though and that cards that make draws for us make villain pair or better and vice versa. Posted by grantorino
you always give great advice on here, fair play....but when i said it's more profitable to play better hands i obv didnt mean ONLY PLAY aa and kk etc... however i do think it is more profitable to play with a tighter range than j10 at nl4....just my opinion, you disagree, which is fine..let's move on lol
errmmmm if im being honest i think u played it badly y not bet on the flop with your flush draw and the turn y are u raising i would of called the turn and see if a diamond come or 10 or j maybe good for showdown and when jack came u bet 1.60 was this a bluff bet or did u really think u was ahead i would of checked the river and sigh called a bet
errmmmm if im being honest i think u played it badly y not bet on the flop with your flush draw and the turn y are u raising i would of called the turn and see if a diamond come or 10 or j maybe good for showdown and when jack came u bet 1.60 was this a bluff bet or did u really think u was ahead i would of checked the river and sigh called a bet Posted by angie6108
Yeah I bet 1.60 because I thought I was ahead, obviously when I got re-raised I didn't like it but I had a Jhigh flush on a board with only 3 diamonds... the only things that we're beating me were quad kings, a better flush, or a king with one of the other cards on board to make a boat. Alot of people at 4NL show up here with 3 kings or 2pr.
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best way to see what i'm trying to say is play a nl4 table calling every raise with j10 suited and play another table folding j10 suited and only playing better hands.....i'm confident which table would be more profitable
at the end of the day we all play differently and this is just my personal opinion
I think if your giving advice to players starting out at NL4 then you should say fold this kinda hand pre.
Lets face it all new comers starting at NL4 will not know how to play wining post flop poker.
If you are a Reg then you should be able to play post flop so really you don't need the advice regarding starting ranges to play ABC winning poker, so therefore disregard the fold pre line )
I think all hands are examples that all readers can learn from
Waller, I never said I am always calling a raise with JTs. I call in this situation though. I would prefer have reads, not so much to decide whether I call or fold, but to decide how I play postflop
Rancid, OP asked for advice so my advice is aimed at him. As for a newbie I havent thought about it much I would prob tell them to fold, but thats because I dont trust .them not to make mistakes, not because folding is best. I see no reason why posts should be particularly geared towards complete newbies rather than players who understand basics, esp as most posting here do.
There are arguments for folding this pre. The argument that goes "oh but its easier make money with AA" is not one of them. If its profitable play the hand, make more money. If not fold. I call here because we are slightly deep, on the btn and theres a decent chance blinds will come along. These along with the fact that 4NL players betsize badly, cant fold a pair and are often passive give us good implied odds here. I'm never going broke with one pair here without a good read. I prob fold oop readless as it reduces our implied odds significantly especially if we think we cant semibluff, which we often cant at 4NL. There are certain villain types I wouldnt flat against but I doubt there are many at 4NL.
As for the difference between JTs and lower scs, we flop better pairs, straights and flushes. There is more chance we are dominated though and that cards that make draws for us make villain pair or better and vice versa.
Yeah I bet 1.60 because I thought I was ahead, obviously when I got re-raised I didn't like it but I had a Jhigh flush on a board with only 3 diamonds... the only things that we're beating me were quad kings, a better flush, or a king with one of the other cards on board to make a boat. Alot of people at 4NL show up here with 3 kings or 2pr.