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river spot at 50NL

huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
edited October 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Lefty9 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £78.77
PACHAMUNDO Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £47.42
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • J
     
DemDem Fold     
karlherman Raise  £1.00 £1.75 £14.69
huuuuume Call  £1.00 £2.75 £49.65
bet3pm_co Call  £1.00 £3.75 £44.75
Lefty9 Call  £0.75 £4.50 £78.02
PACHAMUNDO Call  £0.50 £5.00 £46.92
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 2
  • 4
     
Lefty9 Check     
PACHAMUNDO Check     
karlherman Bet  £0.50 £5.50 £14.19
huuuuume Raise  £3.00 £8.50 £46.65
bet3pm_co Call  £3.00 £11.50 £41.75
Lefty9 Fold     
PACHAMUNDO Fold     
karlherman Fold     
Turn
   
  • J
     
huuuuume Check     
bet3pm_co Bet  £6.50 £18.00 £35.25
huuuuume Call  £6.50 £24.50 £40.15
River
   
  • A
     
huuuuume Check     
bet3pm_co Bet  £14.00 £38.50 £21.25
Have left villain's name is as it will be completely relevant to any other regs. 

Did i play the turn horribly?  if so, what am i hoping he has?
what do i do on the river?
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited October 2011
    I think there is too much in the pot now to fold , so its a sigh call and HOPE ure gd
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  • splashiessplashies Member Posts: 3,680
    edited October 2011
    I'd prob fold pre, but i'd def bet turn here.

    Sigh call riv though.
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited October 2011

    without being overly rude to the player on my right in the hand....fold pre is not the right answer

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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited October 2011
    Sorry ,huuume. Any chance of some info on villain please? loose, tight, been out of line much, calls down light etc? Think this is player dependent.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited October 2011
    some sort of reads would be nice

    I prob bet turn, as played river is a fold imo, even though your hand is underrepped cant see him having much worse here given fish was in hand when he called your flop raise
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited October 2011
    villain is very strong reg.  wont be calling down weak and the call on the flop should indicate a lot of strength.

    the turn is where i am most confused on this hand
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: river spot at 50NL:
    villain is very strong reg.  wont be calling down weak and the call on the flop should indicate a lot of strength. the turn is where i am most confused on this hand
    Posted by huuuuume
    Even very strong regs are capable of playin a hand badly , but obv you know this anyway
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    Hello worst card in the deck.  Fold the river, sometimes you're folding the best hand but unlikely considering the villian IMO.

    Why didn't you lead or C/R the turn?
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: river spot at 50NL:
    Hello worst card in the deck.  Fold the river, sometimes you're folding the best hand but unlikely considering the villian IMO. Why didn't you lead or C/R the turn?
    Posted by TommyD
    Thats what i was gonna ask too.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited October 2011
    cant see much reason to c/r turn, I would generally bet though
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  • cleaverjimcleaverjim Member Posts: 1,070
    edited October 2011
    The way the betting goes i would estimate he had JJJ .
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  • cleaverjimcleaverjim Member Posts: 1,070
    edited October 2011
    But pre/flop he isnt exactly giving away he has strength but i doubt he was fishing for flush after flop with the K.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: river spot at 50NL:
    The way the betting goes i would estimate he had JJJ .
    Posted by cleaverjim
    Disagree, think it's AQ myself.  Doesn't matter much though, pretty sure we're beat on the end.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited October 2011
    Agree with Tommy here.  Sigh fold spot river.  This villain would play AQ the same but is also capable of playing a set like this too.  I'd prob bet turn.

    He never has a FD tho IMO.  Think he woulda taken the free one turn.
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited October 2011

    I didnt raise the turn because i felt that a set was his most likely hand and against this villain im kinda happy to go to showdown as cheap as possible as there are definitely softer spots on the table.  think turn card is terrible for me and then the river is obv great card for me if he has set.

    pre flop i think villain squeezes AQ especially knowing there is a fish min raising and he has position.  also, with my flat i (in retrospect) am clearly fairly weak.

    also dont think he bets turn with KQ and possibly not with AQ.  Although Qx cc is prob betting there?!?!?!

    think the flush draw is outside possibility but agree with scotty that he would rather take the free card considering he wont be getting it in with naked flush draw on the turn.

    i dont think im ever winning with that river card against this villain but the spot on the turn i'm not sure about

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  • cleaverjimcleaverjim Member Posts: 1,070
    edited October 2011

    Did u call?

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  • rentisduerentisdue Member Posts: 227
    edited October 2011
    Imo he wont bet river with worse than you. fold
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited October 2011
    folded river
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited October 2011
    Can we rep the flush?
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: river spot at 50NL:
    Can we rep the flush?
    Posted by DrSharp
    Maybe but he'll be getting pretty decent odds to call our shove if we try.
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