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AK TPTK deep multiway NL8 line check
The_Don90
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Ok feel like my sizing is a little off here.
reads. BB is a fish unlikley to fold any pair. The other guy is a little harder to say, would like more hands with him before i say for sure. Although in the previous hand i also had AK and raise he 3-bet i 4-bet he folded. So is potentially a decent player
reads. BB is a fish unlikley to fold any pair. The other guy is a little harder to say, would like more hands with him before i say for sure. Although in the previous hand i also had AK and raise he 3-bet i 4-bet he folded. So is potentially a decent player
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| philc8502 | Small blind | £0.04 | £0.04 | £2.74 | |
| Big blind | £0.08 | £0.12 | £8.44 | ||
| Your hole cards |
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| Paddy_Luck | Fold | ||||
| The_Don90 | Raise | £0.32 | £0.44 | £14.95 | |
| LethalBlow | Fold | ||||
| Call | £0.32 | £0.76 | £22.24 | ||
| philc8502 | Fold | ||||
| Call | £0.24 | £1.00 | £8.20 | ||
| Flop | |||||
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| Bet | £0.24 | £1.24 | £7.96 | ||
| The_Don90 | Raise | £1.72 | £2.96 | £13.23 | |
| Call | £1.72 | £4.68 | £20.52 | ||
| Call | £1.48 | £6.16 | £6.48 | ||
| Turn | |||||
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| Check | |||||
| The_Don90 | Bet | £6.16 | £12.32 | £7.07 | |
| Fold | |||||
| Fold | |||||
| The_Don90 | Muck | ||||
| The_Don90 | Win | £5.69 | £12.76 | ||
| The_Don90 | Return | £6.16 | £0.47 | £18.92 | |
Comments
Also can you assign each player a letter and leave in the button sign as I get confused easily lol
Dont mind the size too much if your up against a calling station, so it could be ok.
I think turn bet was far too large. You have to ask yourself why you're betting.
First off, it's not a very draw heavy board - J K 8 6, relatively low risk of a flush draw being pursued. Therefore, assuming you have the best hand with TPTK, you are betting for value, rather than protection. You want to get paid off for having what you are fairly confident is the best hand.
Therefore, you aren't pursuing a draw, or protecting a hand so you want to bet an amount that would keep someone with, say, K 10, or K x that isn't a 2 pair hand (if it was 2 pair you'll be snapped off no matter what you bet here) interested and to get value for the best hand.
Secondly, you only have top pair - if he had a set or 2 pair (ie better) you get called, if he has a hand weaker than you he won't call such a large bet, so you are in the situation where you're either way ahead or way behind effectively. Somewhere around 1/2 to 2/3 pot size bet would have been better in my opinion.
We have concluded he probably isn't drawing so we don't have to worry about him getting odds with a 1/2 pot bet. If you priced turn bet correctly and river came a brick you probably could have extracted another 4 quid from the hand minimum.
Totally irrelevant, but meaning to ask for a while. What's Yh?
Cheers
Mac
Why would we bet soo small allowing these hands to bink on us with the correct odds, Now i know its my post so i maybe should be replying but really dont we want draws calling against the odds, making our played +EV. Now i do agree maybe £4 is enough to do on the turn rather than the £6 i bet.
It's a draw heavy flop so you are right to raise to charge people to hit their draws. But once the turn blanks then their odds of hitting that straight/flush half. You only have to bet about 2/3 of the pot to price the opponents out, they will fold a draw to a 2/3 bet. But you want to get called and you want to get your opponent to try and bluff the river. You take away both of these opptions by potting it on the turn and the only hands that can profitably call this bet are hands that are beating you
If you are betting for value, you assume you have the best hand and you want to bet an amount that makes drawing hands unprofitable to call in the long run. Sure, you might get outdrawn now and then, but the point is to make +ev and profitable plays over time. You can't deduce that because you get outdrawn once your strategy is flawed.
If he has 2 pair or a set (ie a better hand) you will get called no matter what you bet, so betting the pot is just building the pot for him and edging you closer to losing your stack on the river with just TPTK because of the effective stacks.
You aren't bluffing, so no need to overbet and take the pot there and then. Over time, it is a -ev play to bet so large on turn as you miss at least one round of value bets from drawing hands and, if he does have a hand like 2 pair or a set, you have overplayed and overvalued the strength of your hand and become close to pot committed by the time the river comes.