NL4 top set on flushed flop

ameliorate

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceeggeadSmall blind £0.02£0.02£3.18poshstrikeSitout    raggy94Big blind £0.04£0.06£5.75 Your hole cardsAA   ameliorateRaise £0.12£0.18£3.53spriggzCall £0.12£0.30£2.32eggeadCall £0.10£0.40£3.08raggy94Fold    Flop  10A6   eggeadCheck    ameliorateBet £0.20£0.60£3.33spriggzCall £0.20£0.80£2.12eggeadRaise £1.20£2.00£1.88

My instincts are screaming fold. Otherwise i'm pretty much readless here, I made the wrong decision in the end, but I've had a very bad night and variance has not been my friend.  All thought welcome

debdobs_67

I call easy here to try to fill up , if indeed i am behind

I take it ya lost BUT ya cant fold top set here imo

PS ya also might wanna look at ure pretty weak raise pre at this level , make it 32p or so

ameliorate

Hi

A 32p raise = an 8*BB raise. Seems a bit much even for me esp. as open raiser with AA. I figured BB either was drawing with a spade or already had flush so fold/shove was only option imo (not saying which I did).  Usually i would shove without a thought but I don't have the nuts(or anything like it), especially at this level.  I'm just strruggling to put together some consistent results despite some confidence in my abilities and, as I already said, everyones thoughts on this hand will be welcomed

grantorino

Dont ever fold, easy shove imo. You have about 30% equity v a flush and you are well ahead of other possible hands. He can easily have sets, two pair pair + draws, bare draw

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: NL4 top set on flushed flop:

Hi A 32p raise = an 8*BB raise. Seems a bit much even for me esp. as open raiser with AA. I figured BB either was drawing with a spade or already had flush so fold/shove was only option imo (not saying which I did).  Usually i would shove without a thought but I don't have the nuts(or anything like it), especially at this level.  I'm just strruggling to put together some consistent results despite some confidence in my abilities and, as I already said, everyones thoughts on this hand will be welcomed
Posted by ameliorate

You do!!

easy shove.

Dudeskin8

Folding here would be VERY bad at NL4, heck it would be bad at most levels lol.

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: NL4 top set on flushed flop:

I call easy here to try to fill up , if indeed i am behind I take it ya lost BUT ya cant fold top set here imo PS ya also might wanna look at ure pretty weak raise pre at this level , make it 32p or so
Posted by debdobs_67

You raise 3x utg with AA at nl4 , did ya want the WHOLE table to come along ?? 3x 4x raise is standard when you get to nl20/30/50/100 etc , dont do it here as there are plenty of fish and they WILL still call a 28p/32p raise at this level , but prob maybe only 1 or 2 players will be in the pot this way.

grantorino

In Response to Re: NL4 top set on flushed flop:

In Response to Re: NL4 top set on flushed flop : You raise 3x utg with AA at nl4 , did ya want the WHOLE table to come along ?? 3x 4x raise is standard when you get to nl20/30/50/100 etc , dont do it here as there are plenty of fish and they WILL still call a 28p/32p raise at this level , but prob maybe only 1 or 2 players will be in the pot this way.
Posted by debdobs_67

maybe, and this is just a guess, he actually wants worse hands to call

DrSharp

I think pre flop should be 20p/24p or so to go. They wont notice, trust me, i have been at this level and beaten it, so has debdobs and dudeskin. (Apologies if i missed anyone else out). Maybe 32p is too much when opening the betting but it does get called quite often so i can see why debs is saying that. If someone limps before then i am defo making it 30-40p to go. As DOHHHHHHH once said, just bash the raise button until its a big number!

As for flop play, shove! However, i dont mind the call as long as we are shoving a non spade turn. If they have it, they have it.

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: NL4 top set on flushed flop:

In Response to Re: NL4 top set on flushed flop : maybe, and this is just a guess, he actually wants worse hands to call
Posted by grantorino

Defo but NOT 4 or 5 to call surely ?? dunno gran if youve ever played nl4 , its where i started out and played for months and the lesson is defo dont want that many callers hence why i said make the utg raise bigger than 3x at this level , he will still get called most of the time but maybe by only 1 or 2 players

grantorino

In Response to Re: NL4 top set on flushed flop:

In Response to Re: NL4 top set on flushed flop : Defo but NOT 4 or 5 to call surely ?? dunno gran if youve ever played nl4 , its where i started out and played for months and the lesson is defo dont want that many callers hence why i said make the utg raise bigger than 3x at this level , he will still get called most of the time but maybe by only 1 or 2 players
Posted by debdobs_67

Dont want to hijack thread completely, but these guys will only fold complete junk anyway and arent savvy enough to fold a pair after calling pre for "value" so Im not so sure I want them to fold. Raising more pre may be better and certainly should reduce variance but I think there are a lot of factors to consider in that decision

rancid

pre - 3x is too low - 4x or higher
your not raising for players to fold, you raising to inflate flop pot.

get it in in the flop, what more do you want than set A's - you may bink a boat anyway

ameliorate

Thanks for the info guys, always good to know I played OK despite the outcome

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
eggead	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.18
poshstrike	Sitout
raggy94	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.75
	Your hole cards	A A
ameliorate	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£3.53
spriggz	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£2.32
eggead	Call		£0.10	£0.40	£3.08
raggy94	Fold
Flop
		10 A 6
eggead	Check
ameliorate	Bet		£0.20	£0.60	£3.33
spriggz	Call		£0.20	£0.80	£2.12
eggead	Raise		£1.20	£2.00	£1.88
ameliorate	All-in		£3.33	£5.33	£0.00
spriggz	All-in		£2.12	£7.45	£0.00
eggead	All-in		£1.88	£9.33	£0.00
ameliorate	Unmatched bet		£0.45	£8.88	£0.45
eggead	Show	J 4
ameliorate	Show	A A
spriggz	Show	9 K
Turn
		8
River
		4
spriggz	Win	Flush to the Ace	£6.80		£6.80
eggead	Win	Flush to the Ace	£1.41