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AK facing small 4bet

Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
edited October 2011 in The Poker Clinic
stax2227 Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £6.21
Dudeskin8 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £24.47
legs200 Sit out        
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • A
     
liamboi11 Fold        
AlphaShark Fold        
andybeth Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £38.84
stax2227 Fold        
Dudeskin8 Raise   £1.80 £2.70 £22.67
andybeth Raise   £4.20 £6.90 £34.64
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited October 2011
    prob AA or KK

    Just fold!
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011

    Not folding AK against andybeth button v blinds!!! (prob never folding it anywhere v him unless we're 500xbb deep!)

    Plz tell me u didn't fold :(
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AK facing small 4bet:
    Not folding AK against andybeth button v blinds!!! (prob never folding it anywhere v him unless we're 500xbb deep!) Plz tell me u didn't fold :(
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    That sounds like a note-based answer lol
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2011
    Fold but I don't know Andy )
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  • jugglegeekjugglegeek Member Posts: 623
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AK facing small 4bet:
    Fold but I don't know Andy )
    Posted by rancid

    I thought that the rule was if you are readless you can't fold AK pre-flop? Call and then make notes.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited October 2011
    all inz
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AK facing small 4bet:
    Not folding AK against andybeth button v blinds!!! (prob never folding it anywhere v him unless we're 500xbb deep!) Plz tell me u didn't fold :(
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Does he really 4 bet that wide on the button?
    vs you he might but vs a nit like dudeskin?
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited October 2011
    Deffo a push here ive played alot with andy hes capable of doing this light, if hes got AA or KK just unlucky.
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited October 2011
    You still have the stack to call, but depends on dynamics have you 3 bet him often if so then jam it in if not then flat and play the streets his range is very wie here so dont credit him with AA or KK everytime
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited October 2011
    how many different variations of ak can you post dude!!! you cant fold this not in a million yrs, grab your nutz and put it in the middle. ps if this was nl 4 you wouldnt think twice about jamming it! 1010 jj qq is def in his range.

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2011
    What the differance between a 4 bet raise and a 4 bet shove -

    finks AA/KK - thats what makes his play even more instresting - has it or not

    w/o reads it's a fold, is this good - or do we just keep calling until we are correct - life and times of a cash player :((


    Are we happy taking all these flips with AK ? 5 bet shoving is this better long term to get paid when we have AA/KK ?

    All these questions !
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AK facing small 4bet:
    In Response to Re: AK facing small 4bet : Does he really 4 bet that wide on the button? vs you he might but vs a nit like dudeskin?
    Posted by NColley
    I dunno I haven't been given any kinda history/dynamic to go on.

    But his 4b sizing is such that it could include bluffs.

    fwiw if I'm dude here I'm shipping 44+ and TJs+ for value against andy, if ya reading this ;)
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited October 2011
    What he turn over then?
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    Well I chose the worst option, sigh.
    stax2227 Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £6.21
    Dudeskin8 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £24.47
    legs200 Sit out        
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
    		     
    liamboi11 Fold        
    AlphaShark Fold        
    andybeth Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £38.84
    stax2227 Fold        
    Dudeskin8 Raise   £1.80 £2.70 £22.67
    andybeth Raise   £4.20 £6.90 £34.64
    Dudeskin8 Call   £2.80 £9.70 £19.87
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • Q
    • 9
    		     
    Dudeskin8
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: AK facing small 4bet:
    Well I chose the worst option, sigh. stax2227 Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £6.21 Dudeskin8 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £24.47 legs200 Sit out           Your hole cards K A       liamboi11 Fold         AlphaShark Fold         andybeth Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £38.84 stax2227 Fold         Dudeskin8 Raise   £1.80 £2.70 £22.67 andybeth Raise   £4.20 £6.90 £34.64 Dudeskin8 Call   £2.80 £9.70 £19.87 Flop     10 Q 9       Dudeskin8
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Dont really like flatting with AK you want to see all 5 cards really.

    Think if you going to play the hand you'd b better off chucking the load in.
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011
    lol.
    classic example of why we don't flat 3/4 bets w/ AK oop!
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