Really interesting this one. I think swiggers having chips back and you covering berni are the key points here, making this a call to get the old 2 vs 1 going. You're obviously crushing berni in this spot. If they both have very similar stacks I can find a fold knowing one of them will be crippled but here I have to call.
Just discussed the ranges of both players with Hoggers and ran the numbers on stove. With the ranges we assigned, if we make the call, either us, or the isolation shover witll win the hand 80% of the time. So we make the call, we will cash now every 4 out of 5 games. If we fold, the isolation shover will win 60% of the time. If we cash in 80% of games when we r on the bubble with 2.4k @ 200/400 I'd say that's a pretty spectacular win-rate. Very clear call. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
That's exactly what i've been saying the whole time lol and that's without any programs
The reason a fold isn't terrible is because it's VERY likely one of them will lose which means one of two things 1) the game ends and you cash 2) the other guy wins and the big stack is in the mix now and it's a free-for-all where you can usually keep your head down and cash. But yeah is much better if their stacks are closer.
I can definitely understand a fold here and I don't think it's too bad, but I probably would call on the basis that as long as I or the big stack wins, I cash.
Just discussed the ranges of both players with Hoggers and ran the numbers on stove. With the ranges we assigned, if we make the call, either us, or the isolation shover witll win the hand 80% of the time. So we make the call, we will cash now every 4 out of 5 games. If we fold, the isolation shover will win 60% of the time. If we cash in 80% of games when we r on the bubble with 2.4k @ 200/400 I'd say that's a pretty spectacular win-rate. Very clear call. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
But by folding you are not not cashing by calling you are
In Response to Re: Correct fold? KK pre on a DYM bubble : But by folding you are not not cashing by calling you are Posted by Batkin88
But you win cash a considerably higher % of the time in this scenario if you call.
Usually in DYMs you are trying to avoid any possible confrontations, but on the bubble if you can secure a spot where you are this likely to win you have to make the call
In Response to Re: Correct fold? KK pre on a DYM bubble : But you win cash a considerably higher % of the time in this scenario if you call. Usually in DYMs you are trying to avoid any possible confrontations, but on the bubble if you can secure a spot where you are this likely to win you have to make the call Posted by Poker_Fail
There is no way that can be proven as your still sitting 3rd with a playable stack after. If you fold you have a chance of cashing with no risk and if worst happens and small stack wins then the big stack is now short stack
In Response to Re: Correct fold? KK pre on a DYM bubble : There is no way that can be proven as your still sitting 3rd with a playable stack after. If you fold you have a chance of cashing with no risk and if worst happens and small stack wins then the big stack is now short stack Posted by Batkin88
It is though, if you call you are 80% to win, you will be less than 80% to win if you fold.
Here's a Q for you, You are at the bubble, all 4 of you have exactly 3000 chips, 1 of them shoves and you KNOW they have AQ, you have AK. Would you call? Doing anything other than calling in that situation is wrong as you are 70% to win which is a higher win-rate than you could hope for.
In Response to Re: Correct fold? KK pre on a DYM bubble : It is though, if you call you are 80% to win, you will be less than 80% to win if you fold. Here's a Q for you, You are at the bubble, all 4 of you have exactly 3000 chips, 1 of them shoves and you KNOW they have AQ, you have AK. Would you call? Doing anything other than calling in that situation is wrong as you are 70% to win which is a higher win-rate than you could hope for. Posted by Poker_Fail
Thats different you dont know Aces are not out, you dont need to call to win so why risk tournament life i would also fold aces here however i wouldnt call anything. The reason this cannot be proven as you still have a stack after to play with, so you have a 50% chance to win without risking anything and then if that goes wrong your in exactly the same position after. i am never callin a three way all in here with anything.
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And glad to see JC agree too
1) the game ends and you cash
2) the other guy wins and the big stack is in the mix now and it's a free-for-all where you can usually keep your head down and cash. But yeah is much better if their stacks are closer.
I can definitely understand a fold here and I don't think it's too bad, but I probably would call on the basis that as long as I or the big stack wins, I cash.
Usually in DYMs you are trying to avoid any possible confrontations, but on the bubble if you can secure a spot where you are this likely to win you have to make the call
Here's a Q for you, You are at the bubble, all 4 of you have exactly 3000 chips, 1 of them shoves and you KNOW they have AQ, you have AK. Would you call? Doing anything other than calling in that situation is wrong as you are 70% to win which is a higher win-rate than you could hope for.
The reason this cannot be proven as you still have a stack after to play with, so you have a 50% chance to win without risking anything and then if that goes wrong your in exactly the same position after. i am never callin a three way all in here with anything.