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Aaargh! it's so frustrating

PuppetJackPuppetJack Member Posts: 196
edited October 2011 in The Poker Clinic
I know I'm not supposed to be results orientated & the rule is 'as long as you made the correct play you'll be winning in the long run' but I'm just so tired of getting unlucky at crucial points in tournies.

Case in point :

1 off the cash bubble in a BH MTT tonight 35(ish) runners.
I was 14th overall & so was crucially trying to be aggressive albeit not to get into any flips if at all possible.

 then I get dealt A-K.

Did I actually do anything below wrong or was I just unlucky? I need to know.


I appreciate I could hae raised more preflop ( or shoved) but as I stated I didn't want to get too involved without a lock on the hand. ( especially with that particulary opponent who was the chip leader...

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceSeptember7Small blind 300.00300.007341.50PuppetJackBig blind 600.00900.009582.50 Your hole cardsKA   UNOWENFold    k1ngstuFold    hughes8Call 600.001500.0041260.75Phlerp_74Fold    September7Fold    PuppetJackRaise 1200.002700.008382.50hughes8Call 1200.003900.0040060.75Flop  4QK   PuppetJackCheck    hughes8All-in 40060.7543960.750.00PuppetJackAll-in 8382.5052343.250.00hughes8Unmatched bet 31678.2520665.0031678.25PuppetJackShowKA   hughes8Show10J   Turn  6   River  4   hughes8WinFlush to the Queen20665.00 52343.25
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    Shove for value 100% in this spot in a small stakes BH against a guy who limps with a big stack.


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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited October 2011
    only thing i might have done differently is open ship it preflop

    as played ofc you did nothing wrong
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  • PuppetJackPuppetJack Member Posts: 196
    edited October 2011
    Fair enough, cheers. - just didn't wanna flip unnecissarily. I guess that's the game though huh?
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  • jugglegeekjugglegeek Member Posts: 623
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Aaargh! it's so frustrating:
    Fair enough, cheers. - just didn't wanna flip unnecissarily. I guess that's the game though huh?
    Posted by PuppetJack

    You can't win an MTT (and this should always be your aim - to win 1st prize) without winning a few flips along the way and more often than not you will have to win an all in pre flop hand when you are behind. This is the unfortunate truth about MTTs

    I would like to be disproved about this point by someone who could show me a MTT win hand history without once getting it all in pre when they were less than 55% to win the hand
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    What makes you think if you get it in you will be flipping?

    Of course you could be, but you could also have him dominated when he holds AQ, AJ, AT, A9, A8, KQ, KJ, KT and even junk like QJ, QTs....

    Much more likely to be a 60%+ favourite than a 50/50 shot. And with 15xbb you can't really turn down 60%!!!

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2011
    You have to win flips in poker - simples
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited October 2011
    Why did you min raise? sure just a shove to pick up the pot doubt he calls.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    You get a great shoving hand and you make it 3x to a guy who can't fold, what would you do when flop comes 962?

    Snap shove pre, make the game easy not hard.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited October 2011
    Defo shove pre , chip leader maybe still calls tho for ure bounty , what was ure head value at the time ?? so prob still same outcome , ul
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  • PuppetJackPuppetJack Member Posts: 196
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Aaargh! it's so frustrating:
    You have to win flips in poker - simples
    Posted by rancid
    Noted
    Why did you min raise?
    Posted by BigHawk89
    I didn't realise a 3BB raise was minimum?
    You get a great shoving hand and you make it 3x to a guy who can't fold
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    I don't understand why he 'cant fold'?

    All thoughts appreciated though, I guess I should have just pushed pre & crossed my fingers.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    He still has 68bbs behind which is massive at this stage of a tourny, obvz he has just got lucky to get them with this play but it also means he don't like folding so calling 2 more bbs is easy for him whereas if you shove he might still call but at least you get it all in when your a fave. I know you still did on flop but you HAD to hit, if you didn't you'd be in trouble big time.
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  • cleaverjimcleaverjim Member Posts: 1,070
    edited October 2011
    TBH m8 id jam the lot in pre/flop taking blinds into account,By putting in a lot of your stack in with a min raise your fully commited to going all in anyway whatever cards flop, So its easier to ask the question to oppo 1st and jam all in .GL
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