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Was this a bad play?

BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
edited October 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
krg Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £21.72
arthur1965 Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £84.34
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • A
     
bluff1991 Fold        
Levantius Fold        
BigHawk89 Raise   £0.90 £1.35 £28.65
krg Fold        
arthur1965 Call   £0.60 £1.95 £83.74
Flop
   
  • K
  • 8
  • 9
     
arthur1965 Check        
BigHawk89 Check        
Turn
   
  • 6
     
arthur1965 Bet   £1.95 £3.90 £81.79
BigHawk89 Call   £1.95 £5.85 £26.70
River
   
  • 9
     
arthur1965 Bet   £5.85 £11.70 £75.94
BigHawk89 All-in   £26.70 £38.40 £0.00
arthur1965 All-in   £75.94 £114.34 £0.00
arthur1965 Unmatched bet   £55.09 £59.25 £55.09
arthur1965 Show
  • 6
  • 6
     
BigHawk89 Show
  • 9
  • A
     
arthur1965 Win Full House, 6s and 9s £57.45   £112.54
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011
    Any particular reason you didnt c bet?
    When arthur1965 pot bets twice I get worried.
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited October 2011
    for pot control really, id been playing with arthur all night and on another table he pot bet 3 streets with air. I also thought a weaker 9 was in his range but felt i made a mistake when i shoved.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited October 2011
    I would'nt beat ureself up over it , just unlucky really , ya cant keep puttin players on a fh when ya river ure trips
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011
    ah interesting, note/history dependant I generally don't see arthur bluff, I can see why you shoved though and I think you can get called by worse 9s and 2 pair hands enough to make it ok. 
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play?:
    ah interesting, note/history dependant I generally don't see arthur bluff, I can see why you shoved though and I think you can get called by worse 9s and 2 pair hands enough to make it ok. 
    Posted by NColley
    +1
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited October 2011
    surely folding ace 9 from the button is way too nitty?
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  • lynx3ffectlynx3ffect Member Posts: 452
    edited October 2011
    lol @ arthur not bluffing...

    i always c bet this board, 3/4 pot

    as played the shove is prob best option as u cant raise/fold and im never flatting against this villain. 
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    arthur is a phenom.

    Must be 20 buy ins at least up against me at 20/30/40.

    I have a full note box on him, and still no idea how he plays.

    Then I skope him, and cry into my cider.

    How. Just how does he do it to me @ cash time and time again.

    What about a raise/fold on this river? ;)
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  • PODGEYPODGEY Member Posts: 8
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play?:
    lol @ arthur not bluffing... i always c bet this board, 3/4 pot as played the shove is prob best option as u cant raise/fold and im never flatting against this villain. 
    Posted by lynx3ffect
    I prob bet the flop...
     
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play?:
    arthur is a phenom. Must be 20 buy ins at least up against me at 20/30/40. I have a full note box on him, and still no idea how he plays. Then I skope him, and cry into my cider. How. Just how does he do it to me @ cash time and time again. What about a raise/fold on this river? ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I know the feeling DOHH, no matter what i do i never seem to get the better of athur, think the best play would be to leave the table soon as he joins. Problem solved :)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    I'm sure a raise/fold on this river is probably awful, but don't know why...

    Can someone explain it for me?
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play?:
    I'm sure a raise/fold on this river is probably awful, but don't know why... Can someone explain it for me?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    why would we raise fold? If we aren't confident where we are we should just flat. If we raise with the intention of folding to a shove we invite hands that we beat to bet us off. Just my opinion but we should only ever raise this river for value.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    What a ridonkulous suggestion by me, I've only just realised why.

    I was actually being serious too. 




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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play?:
    What a ridonkulous suggestion by me, I've only just realised why. I was actually being serious too. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    are you gonna share your thoughts to help us donks become better players or what ? ;)

    come on tell us why!
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited October 2011
    I'm always warey of potsized bets. It's 1 of 2 things... He has the nuts (or basically the nuts) or he had total air. Either way shoving isn't great as you either get no more value because he has a bust flush or you go busto because he has a house. I think I would flat here, Arthur is always open to donk some more chips off later.

    If it was a 3/4 pot of 1/2 pot bet then I put a raise in, but as said above I probs flat because I'm a wimp and then look like a tool when he flips over A high
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play?:
    surely folding ace 9 from the button is way too nitty?
    Posted by BigHawk89
    Correct
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited October 2011
    why does everyone want to bet that flop?
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play?:
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play? : why would we raise fold? If we aren't confident where we are we should just flat. If we raise with the intention of folding to a shove we invite hands that we beat to bet us off. Just my opinion but we should only ever raise this river for value.
    Posted by NColley

    if we raise/fold the river that doesnt mean that we are bluffing, it means that we think he will call with worse hands and only 3bet jam with better hands. its weird in this spot because of SPR and his river betsize. if we think he only shoves with his fullhouses but will payoff with worse 9's then we have to count combinations of hands he has that beat us vs the hands that we beat that will call a 3bet. if more combos will call with worse than shove/call with better then we can raise the river profitably, and fold if he shoves
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play?:
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play? : if we raise/fold the river that doesnt mean that we are bluffing, it means that we think he will call with worse hands and only 3bet jam with better hands. its weird in this spot because of SPR and his river betsize. if we think he only shoves with his fullhouses but will payoff with worse 9's then we have to count combinations of hands he has that beat us vs the hands that we beat that will call a 3bet. if more combos will call with worse than shove/call with better then we can raise the river profitably, and fold if he shoves
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    ahh thanks for this, makes sense!
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  • lynx3ffectlynx3ffect Member Posts: 452
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a bad play?:
    why does everyone want to bet that flop?
    Posted by grantorino
    its hard to flop a pair
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