AK OOP - now what?

silentbob

To say this table was loose would be a massive understatement. Raises & open shoves for 130bb was standard so I've waited to find a hand & thought this was it.

Player A sat down with the max buy in about 10 minutes prior to this. He won a ~65bb pot within a few hands but then lost a load when he called an AI pre with A8o!

Player B - Likes raising the button a lot. I haven't actually noticed any of his showdowns though as I was multi tabling. However given the amount of times he was raising I think it's fair to say that he's got a fairly wide range here.

My initial plan was to get it in against player B pre as I'm very confident I'm well ahead of his range here. However I didn't count on player A coming along for the ride & when B just flatted I was stuck.

Two questions:

1 - My 3b pre. Is this too much?
2 - With two to act behind me what do I do on the flop? If I bet then I'm committed but if I check then I'm likely to find myself bet off the pot when I could even still have the best hand.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£9.41
silentbob	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£11.14
	Your hole cards	A K
	Fold
A	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£7.94
	Fold
B	Raise		£0.40	£0.60	£2.76
	Fold
silentbob	Raise		£1.20	£1.80	£9.94
A	Call		£1.20	£3.00	£6.74
B	Call		£0.88	£3.88	£1.88
Flop
		Q 8 2
silentbob	???

Dudeskin8

So not just me who gets AK then lol

3bet pre looks fine. 

B you obvz can get it in on flop but A makes it tricky, he can't really have a hand here open limp calling a 3bet but sucks if you bet and he shoves although I don't think you can bet/fold so probably check and call all in from B but fold if A gets involved before then.

DrSharp

As played, depends on how the table was playing. Are these 2 villains calling everything on the flop or can you force them to put a hand down with a c-bet. Wish you left their names in, i probably know them. lol

Player dependent really. If i think they fold to flop bets then i might make it £2.50 but it would take some nice reads to do this. Otherwise, i probably give up if i am readless.

To be honest, i sometimes just call pre flop as i know i am out of position if this happens. This also hides the strength of my hand and i get away cheaply if i miss the flop as above.

How you going at NL8 bob?

A looks like he could be set mining or something and B looks like he has JJ, even QQ type hand if i were to assign some sort of hands to these 2 (readless).

Batkin88

In Response to Re: AK OOP - now what?:

So not just me who gets AK then lol 3bet pre looks fine.  B you obvz can get it in on flop but A makes it tricky, he can't really have a hand here open limp calling a 3bet but sucks if you bet and he shoves although I don't think you can bet/fold so probably check and call all in from B but fold if A gets involved before then.
Posted by Dudeskin8

+1

grantorino

bet flop, fold to shove from A, if he flats I bet turn also

silentbob

In Response to Re: AK OOP - now what?:

bet flop, fold to shove from A, if he flats I bet turn also
Posted by grantorino

If I bet this then I'm basically putting B all in given what's in the pot.  

The biggest problem for me here is player A. If he's got any part of this (& there are plenty of Qx & even 8x hands in his range) then I'm stuck OOP with nothing but 2 overs in an inflated pot. If I bet & A flats are you then prepared to effectively get it in on any turn given stacks & what would be in the pot?

silentbob

In Response to Re: AK OOP - now what?:

As played, depends on how the table was playing. Are these 2 villains calling everything on the flop or can you force them to put a hand down with a c-bet. Wish you left their names in, i probably know them. lol Player dependent really. If i think they fold to flop bets then i might make it £2.50 but it would take some nice reads to do this. Otherwise, i probably give up if i am readless. To be honest, i sometimes just call pre flop as i know i am out of position if this happens. This also hides the strength of my hand and i get away cheaply if i miss the flop as above. How you going at NL8 bob? A looks like he could be set mining or something and B looks like he has JJ, even QQ type hand if i were to assign some sort of hands to these 2 (readless).
Posted by DrSharp

This table was very loose. I was multi tabling at the time so missed a few things but pretty much if they've got any part of that flop (which is very possible) then they're not folding.

I seem to have hit a bit of a wall at NL8 at the moment. Most sessions I'm pretty much breaking even which is better than losing loads I suppose but it's **** annoying. I'm finding I'm coming up against the same players more often now so with a few of them I know what to expect which helps.