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Overpair to flop... should I give up?
Pysterman
Member Posts: 187
Not many reads on the player, but he does sometimes make minimum 0.08 bets on the flop/turn/river into largish pots.
Feel free to criticise my pre-flop play. I hate playing middle pairs.
Feel free to criticise my pre-flop play. I hate playing middle pairs.
| Small blind | £0.04 | £0.04 | £13.33 | ||
| carravagio | Big blind | £0.08 | £0.12 | £11.46 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| xxxx | Raise | £0.16 | £0.28 | £7.40 | |
| jumbo595 | Fold | ||||
| Pysterman | Call | £0.16 | £0.44 | £7.11 | |
| SALSACITY | Fold | ||||
| rancid | Fold | ||||
| carravagio | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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| xxxx | Bet | £0.24 | £0.68 | £7.16 | |
| Pysterman | Raise | £0.93 | £1.61 | £6.18 | |
| xxxx | Raise | £1.38 | £2.99 | £5.78 | |
Comments
On flop after calling pre I would just call in position and most likely do the same on turn or river, although if he check then bet for value.
When you raise flop it is for value or bluff, 10's is too strong to turn into bluff so it must be for value and hence when he 3bets you on flop you should get it in. However his 3bet is tiny as if it wants calling, I'd be putting him on better than 10's, set/2pr/flopped str8 so you should fold but that means your raise was 'for information' which is terrible as you know.
If we're behind when i hit i want to be able to build a pot easier. Also by only flatting 16p people behind start to get better and better odds with any two cards. Which makes our pair weaker.
So im 3 betting for value, to build the pot and to stop any two comming in behind.
Now im not saying 3 bet is 100% right obv its very villian dependant.
dont mind 3b/f pre readless at 8nl either
You likely have the best hand here, so if you raise its because you beat the range that continues. If you are not sure you beat the range that continues flatting is better, it keeps weaker hands in and allows him keep bluffing with air. We have less info about his range, but we can be pretty sure its wider than if we raise
If there beating you they will call or raise, if they have worse they will likely fold.
If you raise pre, do you really want them to fold, surely you want them to call with worse OOP.
By flatting pre you keep in worse, which is good for you. Yes they may outdraw you but you could raise and they call and still outdraw you () It's a constant dilema, i think the raise for value/protection is a good line here on the flop and I can't say it's bad but most of the time you may be taking yourself to value town.
If oppo is min raising a lot and opens wide then 3 bet all day