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WOULD YOU HAVE FOLDED PK Ks?

DazlerDazler Member Posts: 3,970
edited October 2011 in The Poker Clinic
i had this hand in the dtd deepstack tonight and 99.9 % of the time i would snap call but something didnt feel right and i folded, It felt like pk As or a set for some reason and was for my entire stack and torny life and blinds are only 200.

if he had AJ would he have shoved for that much, after my raise pre? would he risk everything on a pair of Js as i could have QQ KK or AA i think you just gotta go with if you think your ahead or behind and make that decision. If i play ABC poker yes i should of made the call but sometimes you gotta go with your gut! i think most of you would say call you gotta think your ahead but i didnt.

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
tomred64 Small blind   100.00 100.00 15800.00
Dazler Big blind   200.00 300.00 11223.40
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
jbr2070 Fold        
Dudeskin8 Fold        
percys13 Fold        
everitt09 Call   200.00 500.00 8712.50
tomred64 Call   100.00 600.00 15700.00
Dazler Raise   600.00 1200.00 10623.40
everitt09 Fold        
tomred64 Call   600.00 1800.00 15100.00
Flop
   
  • J
  • 5
  • 2
     
tomred64 All-in   15100.00 16900.00 0.00
Dazler Fold        
tomred64 Muck        
tomred64 Win   1800.00   1800.00
tomred64 Return   15100.00 0.00 16900.00
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    WOW, you weren't lying then.....
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  • DazlerDazler Member Posts: 3,970
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: WOULD YOU HAVE FOLDED PK Ks?:
    WOW, you weren't lying then.....
    Posted by Dudeskin8

    nope lol, im still in and still doing ok if i called and lost cos of a gamble i might be out! dont lay them down like this often mind!
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  • DazlerDazler Member Posts: 3,970
    edited October 2011
    actualy i checked out his sharkscope stats which i should have done before and wish i made the call now lol
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  • KKripplerKKrippler Member Posts: 321
    edited October 2011
    Ya, def dont think i can fold here, there are times you can fold kings, dont think this is the time, i would be surprised if u were behind.
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  • cleaverjimcleaverjim Member Posts: 1,070
    edited October 2011
    There is no flush draw so he isnt pushing with set IMO the best he has is AJ or over pair to board and seeing as you have KK on that board its a SIMPLE SIMPLE call.
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  • cleaverjimcleaverjim Member Posts: 1,070
    edited October 2011
    Why would he shove allin withAA? Any one with AA on that board would bet 1/2 or 3/4 pot not 15.000 all in!!!
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2011
    Maybe he jammed AJ as a bluff to get u off QQ/KK/AA?
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  • Andyl1986Andyl1986 Member Posts: 73
    edited October 2011
    Reminds me a bit of this :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x-GGdHohnI
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  • DazlerDazler Member Posts: 3,970
    edited October 2011
    the good news is im on ft with just 3 of us left so worked out good in the end :) but im now thinking i should have called in that spot.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited October 2011
    I think ya gave him too much credit tbh , vs me ?? yeah fold every time ;))
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2011
    Firstly, don't try to make sense of his line, it makes none no matter what his holding is.  Sometimes it's best not to try to put a logical thought process down for a player.  People make mistakes, people play badly some times.  If you over estimate people all of the time you will level any hand into the muck.

    His range is wide open here, anything from sets to A high.  Call and make a note.
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited October 2011
    aint villain a russian roulette specialist?

    i snap
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  • mickgil75mickgil75 Member Posts: 328
    edited October 2011
    he probly had 3 jacks,he had u beat, its a sky special,wake up will ya lol.it happens in all tourneys on ere,i bt kk with 99 earlier cos the guy min raised the kk, i flopped a 9 and got him,suppose u still made final table so wd...
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited October 2011
    This is why you need to call Dazler.
    kilo05 Small blind   40.00 40.00 1665.00
    Josh13 Big blind   80.00 120.00 10535.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		     
    x Call   80.00 200.00 4065.00
    small04 Fold        
    MrCraig Fold        
    Dudeskin8 Raise   320.00 520.00 6505.00
    kilo05 Fold        
    Josh13 Fold        
    x Call   240.00 760.00 3825.00
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • J
    • 9
    		     
    x All-in   3825.00 4585.00 0.00
    Dudeskin8 Call   3825.00 8410.00 2680.00
    x Show
    • Q
    • 8
    		     
    Dudeskin8 Show
    • K
    • K
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 6
    		     
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    Dudeskin8 Win Two Pairs, Kings and 6s 8410.00   11090.00
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited October 2011
    nice call dude mate
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: WOULD YOU HAVE FOLDED PK Ks?:
    There is no flush draw so he isnt pushing with set IMO the best he has is AJ or over pair to board and seeing as you have KK on that board its a SIMPLE SIMPLE call.
    Posted by cleaverjim
    It's not simple thats just rude, he clearly states in opening post there is a reason to why he folded and sometimes you have to trust your instincts. In regards to the followng post aswell why would AA def bet half or 2/4 pot ??

    In reply to thread, withot overthinking the hand he prob knows your on an overpair to the board or something strong the shove with this player i would call purely as he very LAG prob has top pair any kicker lol and as for tournament life it's fair enough not to get it in if it don't feel right thats how you final table tournaments by making these types of folds
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  • DazlerDazler Member Posts: 3,970
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: WOULD YOU HAVE FOLDED PK Ks?:
    Reminds me a bit of this :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x-GGdHohnI
    Posted by Andyl1986
    just watched it and interesting comparison you gotta think what on earth would he be raising that much for and is it worth the gamble. Sometimes yes but for torny life considering the pot was only 1200 in my case. He could of been hoping i hit the J or had big pk pair and he may of hit a set of 2s who knows but laydowns like i did keeps you in the torny until you have information about the player before making really big life threatning torny decisions and i went on to come in 2nd place. Also dont forget there are still 2 cards to come and he could still improve then i only have a pair at the end of the day even though a big pair just wish i had a big pair to make the call lol
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