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Was i right to stack off here?

BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
edited October 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Hand History #429854103 (18:09 26/10/2011)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceJEFFY69Small blind £0.10£0.10£29.37PiAnOpLaYaBig blind £0.20£0.30£19.60 Your hole cards79   BigHawk89Raise £0.60£0.90£28.20oliwCall £0.60£1.50£23.54sex_kittenFold    FORDYCEFold    JEFFY69Call £0.50£2.00£28.87PiAnOpLaYaCall £0.40£2.40£19.20Flop  538   JEFFY69Check    PiAnOpLaYaCheck    BigHawk89Bet £1.45£3.85£26.75oliwFold    JEFFY69Fold    PiAnOpLaYaRaise £4.10£7.95£15.10BigHawk89Raise £10.60£18.55£16.15PiAnOpLaYaAll-in £15.10£33.65£0.00BigHawk89Call £7.15£40.80£9.00PiAnOpLaYaShowK10   BigHawk89Show79   Turn  9   River  Q   BigHawk89WinPair of 9s£39.00 £48.00
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited October 2011
    Im sure everyone will disagree with me, but I think I would fold to flop raise. Has to be close though
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited October 2011
    How can you fold such a big draw just to one raise? he could also be bluffing to take down the pot he might think im just c-betting with two big cards.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited October 2011
    Its a gamble isnt it really ??

    Sure you do have alot of outs and vs many in my notes i may do the same myself , but vs this oppo i dont , and as ya see you was actually in a spot of bother as ure diamonds were dominated.
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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited October 2011
    I`m defo gettin allin here m8 these are flops we look for when we raise with suited connecters  most times u are a mathematical favourite like 60/40 against any random hand in this case he has the kt of diamonds you are still like 31% to win the hand but who are we to know he has the bigger flush draw. but personally im neva foldin in ths spot
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  • Fluxfoxy32Fluxfoxy32 Member Posts: 59
    edited October 2011
    The way that it played out ; yes
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited October 2011
    Yes im getting it in here in a tournament probably not in cash with a 9 high diamond draw to the raise on the flop. It would be quite stubborn to think that he is bluffing 25% of his stack on the first street. Your most likely up against a draw with that raise so definately a reason to fold the flop. If your going with every draw you hit then yes get it in here.
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited October 2011
    This is how ive been running in £40 recently!

    Cant remember the last time i fit a FD

    NH

    b.t.w. Post flop i prob go with the 9-7 aswell (prob just fold pre UTG mind you :p)
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2011
    GS + FD - I don't think it's an auto stack off multi way-


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  • Fluxfoxy32Fluxfoxy32 Member Posts: 59
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was i right to stack off here?:
    Yes im getting it in here in a tournament probably not in cash with a 9 high diamond draw to the raise on the flop. It would be quite stubborn to think that he is bluffing 25% of his stack on the first street. Your most likely up against a draw with that raise so definately a reason to fold the flop. If your going with every draw you hit then yes get it in here.
    Posted by Batkin88

    Surely you mean you'd get it in in a cash game and NOT in a tournament here ? If this was a tournament, playing 79s, in position or not, will destroy your stack. Cash games its okay,

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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was i right to stack off here?:
    In Response to Re: Was i right to stack off here? : Surely you mean you'd get it in in a cash game and NOT in a tournament here ? If this was a tournament, playing 79s, in position or not, will destroy your stack. Cash games its okay,
    Posted by Fluxfoxy32
    If you get this far and get that flop in a tournament i would get it in i never said i would be i the hand with this hand
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited October 2011

    Didn't even need them to be suited lol

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    macca473 Small blind  20.00 20.00 5315.00
    Aaaces3 Big blind  40.00 60.00 1300.00
      Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 7
    		     
    boxer147 Raise  160.00 220.00 2600.00
    warren609 Fold     
    Scratch36 Fold     
    Batkin88 Call  160.00 380.00 2952.50
    macca473 Fold     
    Aaaces3 Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 3
    • J
    		     
    boxer147 Check     
    Batkin88 Bet  285.00 665.00 2667.50
    boxer147 Call  285.00 950.00 2315.00
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    boxer147 Check     
    Batkin88 Check     
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    boxer147 Bet  40.00 990.00 2275.00
    Batkin88 Raise  812.50 1802.50 1855.00
    boxer147 Fold     
    Batkin88 Muck     
    Batkin88 Win  1030.00  2885.00
    Batkin88 Return  772.50 0.00 3657.50
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was i right to stack off here?:
    Didn't even need them to be suited lol Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance macca473 Small blind   20.00 20.00 5315.00 Aaaces3 Big blind   40.00 60.00 1300.00   Your hole cards 9 7       boxer147 Raise   160.00 220.00 2600.00 warren609 Fold         Scratch36 Fold         Batkin88 Call   160.00 380.00 2952.50 macca473 Fold         Aaaces3 Fold         Flop     6 3 J       boxer147 Check         Batkin88 Bet   285.00 665.00 2667.50 boxer147 Call   285.00 950.00 2315.00 Turn     10       boxer147 Check         Batkin88 Check         River     Q       boxer147 Bet   40.00 990.00 2275.00 Batkin88 Raise   812.50 1802.50 1855.00 boxer147 Fold         Batkin88 Muck         Batkin88 Win   1030.00   2885.00 Batkin88 Return   772.50 0.00 3657.50
    Posted by Batkin88
    When did 9 7 become the nuts??
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited October 2011
    today
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2011
    naaaaaaaaaaaaaa 68s is the nutz in my world
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    davon121 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £0.84
    GFKIJKLL Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £7.29
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • 6
    		     
    lyse Fold        
    rosieP23 Fold        
    rancid Raise   £0.16 £0.22 £3.81
    davon121 Fold        
    GFKIJKLL Raise   £0.60 £0.82 £6.69
    rancid Raise   £1.44 £2.26 £2.37
    GFKIJKLL All-in   £6.69 £8.95 £0.00
    rancid All-in   £2.37 £11.32 £0.00
    GFKIJKLL Unmatched bet   £3.36 £7.96 £3.36
    GFKIJKLL Show
    • K
    • K
    		     
    rancid Show
    • 8
    • 6
    		     
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • J
    • 6
    		     
    Turn
       
    • Q
    		     
    River
       
    • 9
    		     
    rancid Win Two Pairs, 8s and 6s £7.36   £7.36
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited October 2011
    Didnt anyone realise i had a straight flush draw?? i have to stack off surely :P my thinking was my 4 bet looked so strong he could only shove with sets i thought id fold out any other FDs and if i get shoved on i have mega outs if im not facing another FD like i was. thanks for your comments though thought id see what everyone thought felt abit dirty when i won the hand tbh lol
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  • pomfrittespomfrittes Member Posts: 2,981
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was i right to stack off here?:
    naaaaaaaaaaaaaa 68s is the nutz in my world Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance davon121 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £0.84 GFKIJKLL Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £7.29   Your hole cards 8 6       lyse Fold         rosieP23 Fold         rancid Raise   £0.16 £0.22 £3.81 davon121 Fold         GFKIJKLL Raise   £0.60 £0.82 £6.69 rancid Raise   £1.44 £2.26 £2.37 GFKIJKLL All-in   £6.69 £8.95 £0.00 rancid All-in   £2.37 £11.32 £0.00 GFKIJKLL Unmatched bet   £3.36 £7.96 £3.36 GFKIJKLL Show K K       rancid Show 8 6       Flop     8 J 6       Turn     Q       River     9       rancid Win Two Pairs, 8s and 6s £7.36   £7.36
    Posted by rancid
      LOL , like i said, cant call you a nit m8.
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  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited October 2011
    played the hand fine, if ur folding here when you rase pre what are you hoping to flop??

    hoping to flop quads are we?

    cmon man this is ur dream flop no way u can fold, the difference in opinion in the forum is most of these players wouldnt get involved pre with these cards in early position. (to be honest i dont like playing this hand under gun either)

    but youve hit your flop and go with it jeez
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was i right to stack off here?:
    Didnt anyone realise i had a straight flush draw?? i have to stack off surely :P my thinking was my 4 bet looked so strong he could only shove with sets i thought id fold out any other FDs and if i get shoved on i have mega outs if im not facing another FD like i was. thanks for your comments though thought id see what everyone thought felt abit dirty when i won the hand tbh lol
    Posted by BigHawk89
    Assuming villain is not a donk:

    What range do you think he c/r you 4way with on that board?
    How much fold equity do yuo think you have?

    Raise/folding a flush draw would be pretty bad play by villain imo.

    The strength of a hand like you have is you can play your hand fast and make hands that should call fold, and when you get it in you have decent equity. Here when he raises 25% of his stack multiway your fe is close to 0 imo and when you get it in you are flipping at best, or a dog against a big draw. You are basically calling a shove needing about 45% equity, which is going to be pretty borderline with that hand (havent checked it may be ok). If you think you have decent fold equity getting it in is great
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Was i right to stack off here?:
    Didnt anyone realise i had a straight flush draw?? i have to stack off surely :P my thinking was my 4 bet looked so strong he could only shove with sets i thought id fold out any other FDs and if i get shoved on i have mega outs if im not facing another FD like i was. thanks for your comments though thought id see what everyone thought felt abit dirty when i won the hand tbh lol
    Posted by BigHawk89
    Feel free to wire me the £40 i'd have no issues!!
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2011
    only the GS though isn't it - up and down and them 4 extra outs make a huge diff.....
    Multi way you can easily be getting it in as a dog v bigger FD

    Would prefer a c/r shove line, may get better draws and made hands to fold
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