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AQs 3bet pre from BB

Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
edited November 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Readless is it ok to flat here in general or just give them cred for good hand and let it go ?
COOLANDLUC Small blind   £0.04 £0.04 £18.27
power38 Big blind   £0.08 £0.12 £8.33
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • A
     
Dudeskin8 Raise   £0.32 £0.44 £8.32
leepicton Call   £0.32 £0.76 £4.84
noodles272 Fold        
cwaldo103 Fold        
COOLANDLUC Fold        
power38 Raise   £0.72 £1.48 £7.61
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
    flat is fine
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited November 2011
    Surely you should be ramping it up to about £1.40 ish now
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  • jugglegeekjugglegeek Member Posts: 623
    edited November 2011
    Assuming a normal 3-bet range of AK/AQ/JJ+ I think it's a fold. what sort of a flop are you hoping for? If he has jacks, queens or kings and an ace flops then it's going to be very difficult to get paid more than a continuation bet on the flop if you flop an ace, and if you hit a queen high flop you only beat jacks.

    I just don't see how this can become a big hand where you win.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: AQs 3bet pre from BB:
    Assuming a normal 3-bet range of AK/AQ/JJ+ I think it's a fold. what sort of a flop are you hoping for? If he has jacks, queens or kings and an ace flops then it's going to be very difficult to get paid more than a continuation bet on the flop if you flop an ace, and if you hit a queen high flop you only beat jacks. I just don't see how this can become a big hand where you win.
    Posted by jugglegeek
    Cos alot of players at this level can/do on many many occasions only have a medium pp here , even AJ sooted , even any sooted A , i know this cos i played and still play this level.
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited November 2011
    IMO fold AQ to a 3bet from the blinds unless you have reads on the player
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: AQs 3bet pre from BB:
    IMO fold AQ to a 3bet from the blinds unless you have reads on the player
    Posted by waynec
    wimp ;))
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  • jugglegeekjugglegeek Member Posts: 623
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: AQs 3bet pre from BB:
    In Response to Re: AQs 3bet pre from BB : Cos alot of players at this level can/do on many many occasions only have a medium pp here , even AJ sooted , even any sooted A , i know this cos i played and still play this level.
    Posted by debdobs_67
    So you are saying that because as a sweeping generalisation players at NL8 play bad then we should also play bad, Despite the fact that we have no reads on the guy? Suppose he does have a medium pair here and an ace or queen flops, are they going to pay off a full stack with their medium pair anyway? If they have AJ and an ace flops then yes, we do get their whole stack (if they are going to 3-bet with AJ then they are going to think top pair, jack kicker is da nutz). But that's a **** of a risk to take.

    I think that the truly awful players at the micro-stakes - the calling stations who think top pair, no kicker is good enough - don't often 3-bet and when they do it's worth giving them credit.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
    think folding AQs IP to a 3 bet is just too tight



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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited November 2011
    if the opponent is super tight then i fold but if he been quite loose a call with position see what happens on the flop and also sumtimes throw in a 4bet if he is quite loose
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2011
    his bet sizing is awful oop, its a little more than a min re raise, don't see why we should fold in position when we can hit 3 queens or a flush ;)
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: AQs 3bet pre from BB:
    In Response to Re: AQs 3bet pre from BB : So you are saying that because as a sweeping generalisation players at NL8 play bad then we should also play bad, Despite the fact that we have no reads on the guy? Suppose he does have a medium pair here and an ace or queen flops, are they going to pay off a full stack with their medium pair anyway? If they have AJ and an ace flops then yes, we do get their whole stack (if they are going to 3-bet with AJ then they are going to think top pair, jack kicker is da nutz). But that's a **** of a risk to take. I think that the truly awful players at the micro-stakes - the calling stations who think top pair, no kicker is good enough - don't often 3-bet and when they do it's worth giving them credit.
    Posted by jugglegeek
    Who cares if we get their whole stack or not ?? i just wanna win the pot no matter what is in it , dont you ??
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited November 2011
    Flat IP, play a flop.  As always our 4bet range has to crush his 3bet range or its pointless.  If you think he has a worse A, which is likely @ this level dont mind a 4bet to isolate/get it in.  But if he does it with 10K or equally high equity hands (vs our hand) I flat.  Especially as he'll flat your 4bet then go crazy with any piece of the flop.
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