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did i do the right things??

BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
edited November 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
nemo99 Small blind  15.00 15.00 3645.00
TheDart Big blind  30.00 45.00 2160.00
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • Q
   
swindon569 Fold     
BURNShurtz Raise  120.00 165.00 4015.00
claude2408 Fold     
yelwob Fold     
nemo99 Call  105.00 270.00 3540.00
TheDart Call  90.00 360.00 2070.00
Flop
  
  • Q
  • J
  • 10
   
nemo99 Check     
TheDart Bet  270.00 630.00 1800.00
BURNShurtz Call  270.00 900.00 3745.00
nemo99 Call  270.00 1170.00 3270.00
Turn
  
  • Q
   
nemo99 Check     
TheDart Bet  360.00 1530.00 1440.00
BURNShurtz Call  360.00 1890.00 3385.00
nemo99 Fold     
River
  
  • 2
   
TheDart All-in  1440.00 3330.00 0.00
BURNShurtz Fold     
TheDart Muck     
TheDart Win  1890.00  1890.00
TheDart Return  1440.00 0.00 3330.00
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
BURNShurtz Small blind  20.00 20.00 3160.00
claude2408 Big blind  40.00 60.00 2792.50
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
   
yelwob Call  40.00 100.00 1565.00
nemo99 Fold     
TheDart Call  40.00 140.00 3110.00
swindon569 Fold     
BURNShurtz Raise  180.00 320.00 2980.00
claude2408 Call  160.00 480.00 2632.50
yelwob Fold     
TheDart Fold     
Flop
  
  • 2
  • 2
  • 3
   
BURNShurtz Bet  480.00 960.00 2500.00
claude2408 Call  480.00 1440.00 2152.50
Turn
  
  • A
   
BURNShurtz Bet  480.00 1920.00 2020.00
claude2408 Raise  960.00 2880.00 1192.50
BURNShurtz Fold     
claude2408 Muck     
claude2408 Win  2400.00  3592.50
claude2408 Return  480.00 0.00 4072.50

Comments

  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited November 2011
    I think your folds are fine and UL on both hands
  • Bobsicool3Bobsicool3 Member Posts: 210
    edited November 2011
    hand 1 - ur obv putting him on the flush draw, why not raise on the turn?

    hand 2 - probably has a raggady ace so good fold.
  • ricky1984ricky1984 Member Posts: 140
    edited November 2011
    Definite fold on hand 2. The fact he called a pot-size bet, then min-raised the turn, when u were the aggressor the whole time, means ur kings are almost always behind.

    Hand 1 is slightly more interesting. I think on the flop, the play was fine, strange lead out prob meant he was either on a draw or maybe had jq?? u have to raise his small turn bet, cos he could of quite easily made that bet with a house but more than likely was on a draw still, and his bet was more a stopper bet.

    Good fold for me in the end, i cant see what you beat on the river, unless he had KJoff.
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: did i do the right things??:
    hand 1 - ur obv putting him on the flush draw, why not raise on the turn? hand 2 - probably has a raggady ace so good fold.
    Posted by Bobsicool3[/QUOTE

    i didnt raise the turn as i think he will call it anyway  so i wanted to get to the river cheap, river is just a bad card but i may have already been behind on flop. tricky    
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: did i do the right things??:
    Definite fold on hand 2. The fact he called a pot-size bet, then min-raised the turn, when u were the aggressor the whole time, means ur kings are almost always behind. Hand 1 is slightly more interesting. I think on the flop, the play was fine, strange lead out prob meant he was either on a draw or maybe had jq?? u have to raise his small turn bet, cos he could of quite easily made that bet with a house but more than likely was on a draw still, and his bet was more a stopper bet. Good fold for me in the end, i cant see what you beat on the river, unless he had KJoff.
    Posted by ricky1984
    hand 1
    the more i look at the hand the more i think he flopped the 2 pair/str and his river bet is maybe he put me on a flush draw. maybe he had 72o and just gave me a lesson.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
     good fold's
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    1. Shove turn.

    2. Check turn, depending on bet size might call or just fold.
  • Bobsicool3Bobsicool3 Member Posts: 210
    edited November 2011
    Hey burn.

    however if u think ur beaten on the turn the surely its best fold as ur only hoping to river a king or 9
    if u put him on the flush draw u need to be raising the turn to make him pay to hit the flush draw. u've not show any agression in this hand and his taken it away from u as there's no way u can call that all in.

    did u ask what he had? possibly aj? a10? k10? kj? j10? these are all hands u beat
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: did i do the right things??:
    Hey burn. however if u think ur beaten on the turn the surely its best fold as ur only hoping to river a king or 9 if u put him on the flush draw u need to be raising the turn to make him pay to hit the flush draw. u've not show any agression in this hand and his taken it away from u as there's no way u can call that all in. did u ask what he had? possibly aj? a10? k10? kj? j10? these are all hands u beat
    Posted by Bobsicool3
    i understand what ur saying,  il know better next time.
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: did i do the right things??:
    1. Shove turn. 2. Check turn, depending on bet size might call or just fold.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    1 understand that now
    2 if i check turn would that not let him bet at me with anything? have to fold anyway?
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited November 2011
    Ship turn on 1st one (mainly as he has less than pot behind him) , also maybe think about downsizing your pre flop raise.  4x is too much imo.  Pro's and cons though.

    2nd one.  Nice pre flop bet size.  As said in BB&V, not sure why your opening pot.  Especially as this is a great board.  In this instance it works out for you as opponent perceives it as a no pair cbet...but then gets there.

    This is just my opinion bud, based on seeing a fair few of your hands in last 2 days.  When we open pot, we are likely to get max value in the minority of spots.  Mostly opponents fold or rejam drawing a line.  But if we keep our  cbets vbs between half and 2/3ds we leave ourself alot of ability to play poker through streets.  Also avoiding getting pot stuck on dirty cards.

    Out of curiosity do you still pot it when you miss entirely after a pf3bet?
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: did i do the right things??:
    Ship turn on 1st one (mainly as he has less than pot behind him) , also maybe think about downsizing your pre flop raise.  4x is too much imo.  Pro's and cons though. 2nd one.  Nice pre flop bet size.  As said in BB&V, not sure why your opening pot.  Especially as this is a great board.  In this instance it works out for you as opponent perceives it as a no pair cbet...but then gets there. This is just my opinion bud, based on seeing a fair few of your hands in last 2 days.  When we open pot, we are likely to get max value in the minority of spots.  Mostly opponents fold or rejam drawing a line.  But if we keep our  cbets vbs between half and 2/3ds we leave ourself alot of ability to play poker through streets.  Also avoiding getting pot stuck on dirty cards. Out of curiosity do you still pot it when you miss entirely after a pf3bet?
    Posted by AMYBR
    normally, unless flop is major yuk.
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    Yh just noticed pot bet on 3nd hand this is not good as it takes away any chance of villain bluffing as you've shown super strength, about 280-320 would be better as you can bet this when you miss also with over cards.

    Reason for check turn as if you bet you're only getting called when your beat, it's just one of those super sick turns, any other card in the deck and you get it in but an Ace is just sigh fold imo
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