Adapting from Online to Live play. Difficulties?

AMYBR

Am hunting for flaws in my game just now as am on a ridiculous losing streak and am burning money daily.  I wouldnt definatively say I'm playing badly.  A portion is run bad and cold decking.  A portion is reading situations badly.   A portion is underestimating opposition.  Tonne of factors.

One thing I tend to find is playing online before playing live makes my aggression factor higher when playing Live.  I am far Laggier online than Live normally though.

Its easier to play technically better poker online than live, simply down to the wealth of immediate information we see.  In terms of pot size and opponents stacks.  Also player aggression and VPIP are clearer, mainly down to lack of distraction and clarity of seats etc.  Our jamming range is clearer and overall approach simpler to define.

How many people think spending equal times on each format hinders the other?  There are Live players who completely refuse to play online.  Equally there are very good online players who have nothing but disdain for Live players

B16JDH

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Am hunting for flaws in my game just now as am on a ridiculous losing streak and am burning money daily.  I wouldnt definatively say I'm playing badly.  A portion is run bad and cold decking.  A portion is reading situations badly.   A portion is underestimating opposition.  Tonne of factors. One thing I tend to find is playing online before playing live makes my aggression factor higher when playing Live.  I am far Laggier online than Live normally though. Its easier to play technically better poker online than live, simply down to the wealth of immediate information we see.  In terms of pot size and opponents stacks.  Also player aggression and VPIP are clearer, mainly down to lack of distraction and clarity of seats etc.  Our jamming range is clearer and overall approach simpler to define. How many people think spending equal times on each format hinders the other?   There are Live players who completely refuse to play online.  Equally there are very good online players who have nothing but disdain for Live players
Posted by AMYBR

I started online with Skypoker then a few weeks later played live and found that the live game suited me better and once I'd adapted to the larger player tables had a fair deal of sucess on the local Blackpool circuit.  Hands in the air here, I do not play as well online,  maybe I need to see the whites of their eyes no real idea.  I prefer the slower clock structures and find online Bounty Hunters a great way of donking off.  I have just returned to poker following an 18 month break and am now looking closely at aspects of my game to improve.  I think its a case of finding the game that suits you, there is no easy answer, look at the different games and how people play, cash and tourney differ, online and live differ.  There are players who run well in all games there are those of us who prefer one over the other.

I'd be more tempted to focus on the leaks in your game irrespective of whether its live or online.  You say you are running bad, has this effected the way you normally play? are you chasing the table more? or running scared because of the current run? I cannot give you the answer but in the past when I have had the'bad runs'  I break my game down, look at all the different aspects for subtle changes, put them right one at time and measure the success or otherwise.  Don't think there is any easy answer.

AMYBR

Generally speaking I'm very confident in my game.  Its been a winning profitable game for a long time.  However I'm contemplating that I very well may have gone behind the curve.

Yes running bad has significantly impacted my game and decision making process.

With downswings it normally just takes a while for it to swing round and your confidence be restored.  Then you never really worry about it too much. 

I'm sure this will be the case again.  Just cant get any traction going.  But I've never been convinced that dabling in both formats is beneficial.  Different toolboxs, different experiences.  Significantly different aggro factors.

Sure I'll get back on track

Live is my preffered format.  But online is the technically better game.

DrSharp

This is an interesting subject. I have only been playing poker for 10 or 11 months and i have only ever dabbled in online poker. I love the game, and am profitable so far although i am aware i always need to improve and always will. Next year, i aim to start playing some live games as i have heard that they are weaker and apparantly i have been told i will do well in the local pub circuits and also in a few casino games from a guy who plays pretty much semi professionally. 

I'm a little nervous about playing live as i think i could make a bit of a fool of myself regarding etiquette etc. But i am determined to give it a go sometime next year. My mate says he would like to take me to a £20 rebuy MTT at Gala casino at Leeds as he thinks i could go well but i feel he is more confident than i am.

My main problem at the moment is the fact that i am comfortable at deepstack cash games but live games seem to be more MTT based and i dont feel that plays to my strengths as i am uncomfortable with a small stack. I know there are live cash games but i am used to NL4, NL8 NL10 and NL20 and live cash seems to be more expensive and i dont feel comfortable playing for large amounts yet.

Any advice for a player thinking of making the transition?

rancid

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Any advice for a player thinking of making the transition?
Posted by DrSharp

Jump in with both feet

AMYBR

If your playing poker in Leeds go to the Alea.  Great FO's and Formats

Wouldnt recommed the weekly rebuys in any Casino as your first game. Normaly 2k in chips, 100/100 blind shovefests.

Money to be had, but you'll be frustrated if your game is deepstack.

Lot of game in FO's, maybe Double chances also

Good luck bud.

B16JDH

@ Dr Sharp totally agree with AMYBR re going live.  

I made the mistake of playing a £5 rebuy at the local casino in Blackpool.  1000 chips!  Well I sit there having made it clear to the dealer it was my first time (the staff are generally great and happy to help),  and its a shove fest, everyone virtually all in every hand.  I was convinced I'd walked into an alien game!  Pot odds, positional play, the whole lot out of the window!

What I did find once I'd settled was that the tips I'd picked up on skypoker and games I'd played online stood me in good stead.  3 visits in first cash, followed by 3 further consective cashes including one win.  If you do go for the rebuy set your stall out on how much you are prepared to 'invest' in rebuys and stick to it.  At small rebuys it can be easy to 'overspend'.  I'd be tempted to look at your available ' bankroll' for your live venture and find something like a torney with one add one and single rebuy.  I seriously think you will get more for your money.

Finally do not be scared of the live scene, most players are not as scary as they first seem and its interesting to see different styles of play live.  Oh and if you do happen to run well its great collecting the cash that you actually fold up and put in your pocket!

huuuuume

In Response to Adapting from Online to Live play. Difficulties?:

Am hunting for flaws in my game just now as am on a ridiculous losing streak and am burning money daily.  I wouldnt definatively say I'm playing badly.  A portion is run bad and cold decking.  A portion is reading situations badly.   A portion is underestimating opposition.  Tonne of factors. One thing I tend to find is playing online before playing live makes my aggression factor higher when playing Live.  I am far Laggier online than Live normally though. Its easier to play technically better poker online than live, simply down to the wealth of immediate information we see.  In terms of pot size and opponents stacks.  Also player aggression and VPIP are clearer, mainly down to lack of distraction and clarity of seats etc.  Our jamming range is clearer and overall approach simpler to define. How many people think spending equal times on each format hinders the other?   There are Live players who completely refuse to play online.  Equally there are very good online players who have nothing but disdain for Live players
Posted by AMYBR

from the occasional times we have played at the same table i seem to remember you didnt play well against aggression and i often felt you got it in bad when it was obvious that you were well behind.it was like you refused to believe i could ever have a hand

one thing that a lot of live players forget is that solid tight play is also (in general) a winning strategy online.  play less tables and tighten up would be my advice

jimchree24

In Response to Adapting from Online to Live play. Difficulties?:

Am hunting for flaws in my game just now as am on a ridiculous losing streak and am burning money daily.  I wouldnt definatively say I'm playing badly.  A portion is run bad and cold decking.  A portion is reading situations badly.   A portion is underestimating opposition.  Tonne of factors. One thing I tend to find is playing online before playing live makes my aggression factor higher when playing Live.  I am far Laggier online than Live normally though. Its easier to play technically better poker online than live, simply down to the wealth of immediate information we see.  In terms of pot size and opponents stacks.  Also player aggression and VPIP are clearer, mainly down to lack of distraction and clarity of seats etc.  Our jamming range is clearer and overall approach simpler to define. How many people think spending equal times on each format hinders the other?   There are Live players who completely refuse to play online.  Equally there are very good online players who have nothing but disdain for Live players
Posted by AMYBR

Hi mate, i have just gone back to live play as online was killing, lost to much, i was allways 85% infront before the river but never hardly on the river, tried different ways but never seemed to work. Lot of good online players seem to have money to burn and rasie you every hand, I ply live quite well & do quite well, on average im up over the week playing live but online like chucking money down the drain. My advice to you is this is a man made software and can not be as good as the real dealers, I would cut back online to the point of a few games a month and stick to the live

grantorino

From my very limited experience of live poker, in genral players are looser , more passive and have poor betsizing  and you will need to adapt your game to suit. You cant play 6max  at  around 30NL or up online the same as full ring live cash.  Its prob easier define ranges online as you see more hands and stack and pot size are immediately apparent. But really the difference in your game is about adjusting to the players and stacksizes not any real difference in the format (other than boredom from playing less hands live, particularly if you multitable online)