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i was lucky to win this pot but was i priced in pre

jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
edited November 2011 in The Poker Clinic

Hand History #436443772 (00:13 12/11/2011)

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
jugglegeek Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.94
jasonAA Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.76
seddy Big blind  £0.04 £0.10 £1.56
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • A
     
jacko746 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £4.43
Telboy120 Call  £0.04 £0.18 £5.59
seddy Check     
jgn Raise  £0.24 £0.42 £6.04
jugglegeek Raise  £1.02 £1.44 £2.92
jasonAA Fold     
jacko746 Fold     
Telboy120 Call  £1.00 £2.44 £4.59
seddy Fold     
jgn Call  £0.80 £3.24 £5.24
Flop
   
  • 3
  • A
  • Q
     
jugglegeek All-in  £2.92 £6.16 £0.00
Telboy120 All-in  £4.59 £10.75 £0.00
jgn Call  £4.59 £15.34 £0.65
jugglegeek Show
  • K
  • A
   
Telboy120 Show
  • 8
  • K
   
jgn Show
  • Q
  • A
   
Turn
   
  • A
     
River
   
  • 9
     
jgn Win Full House, Aces and Queens £14.18  £14.83
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    Fold preflop as I'd imagine juggle is NEVER bluffing there and most times flop is ace high and you get stacked and even if Q high you get stacked when he has overpair.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
    You can call here, depends how comfortable you are playing streets with btn

    fold pre as standard ABC tbh at NL4

    Also can't see stack sizes, I just assume your both 100bb.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: i was lucky to win this pot but was i priced in pre:
    You can call here, depends how comfortable you are playing streets with btn fold pre as standard ABC tbh at NL4 Also can't see stack sizes, I just assume your both 100bb.
    Posted by rancid
    Play streets? Yh that should be fun when pot is £3+ on flop lol
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: i was lucky to win this pot but was i priced in pre:
    In Response to Re: i was lucky to win this pot but was i priced in pre : Play streets? Yh that should be fun when pot is £3+ on flop lol
    Posted by Dudeskin8

    lol true, they may have massive stacks though )

    ok play flop then, c bet will come 100% so depends how you feel about facing that

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  • jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
    edited November 2011
    i had around 180 bigs
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: i was lucky to win this pot but was i priced in pre:
    i had around 180 bigs
    Posted by jgn

    How many did oppo have, if oppo had only 100 bigs then a fold is ok, if the same 180+ then a peel IP is fine -!! be careful

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  • jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
    edited November 2011

    around about 130

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: i was lucky to win this pot but was i priced in pre:
    around about 130
    Posted by jgn

    You can call but even if the flop comes A83r your going to be calling any c bet, so how do you like them apples.
    ez option is to fold tbh, exciting option is to 4 bet )

    Key question is, how does oppo view you, are you only 4 betting AA, what would you flat here.
    What do think oppo's 3 betting range is here 

    If you decide to call then it just gets tougher, EZ option = fold - ABC NL4 





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  • jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
    edited November 2011
    yeah i get the advice and take on board. if the player before me never called im mucking the hand 100% but thought the price was 2 good at these limits i needed to hit the flop big even if the board never had the queen on it and say had the jack of hearts i would fold the hand after that action.
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  • jugglegeekjugglegeek Member Posts: 623
    edited November 2011
    readless, which I am most of the time at NL4 since I mulit-table then my 3-bet range is very small. I'd say that I generally only 3-bet here with AK/QQ+ so you are in pretty bad shape against that range. I c-bet the flop here because I have made TPTK although I suspect that against two 3-bet calling ranges I know that I am usually behind I don't want to risk getting bluffed by someone holding Khx. I'm first into the pot so I just shove all in which I have to do because I have less than a pot bet behind.

    The problem is I'm going to do this on most flops unless I have AK and I totally miss and the board is scary (I might still do this with AK on a J72 rainbow board with AK). But like someone else said against my range you are going to get stacked most times even though you are getting 4:1 pre flop.

    Suppose you hit a Q-high flop then 75% of my range is beating you (QQ,KK,AA) and if you hit an ace high flop then half my range is beating you. Could you really fold if I push on these flops? If you hit your flush on the flop am I going to pay you off every time and if you hit two pair then half my range makes a set. I think you should have folded.

    As for the idiot with K8 limp-cold-calling. WTF!!!???
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: i was lucky to win this pot but was i priced in pre:
    readless, which I am most of the time at NL4 since I mulit-table then my 3-bet range is very small. I'd say that I generally only 3-bet here with AK/QQ+ so you are in pretty bad shape against that range. I c-bet the flop here because I have made TPTK although I suspect that against two 3-bet calling ranges I know that I am usually behind I don't want to risk getting bluffed by someone holding Khx. I'm first into the pot so I just shove all in which I have to do because I have less than a pot bet behind. The problem is I'm going to do this on most flops unless I have AK and I totally miss and the board is scary (I might still do this with AK on a J72 rainbow board with AK). But like someone else said against my range you are going to get stacked most times even though you are getting 4:1 pre flop. Suppose you hit a Q-high flop then 75% of my range is beating you (QQ,KK,AA) and if you hit an ace high flop then half my range is beating you. Could you really fold if I push on these flops? If you hit your flush on the flop am I going to pay you off every time and if you hit two pair then half my range makes a set. I think you should have folded. As for the idiot with K8 limp-cold-calling. WTF!!!???
    Posted by jugglegeek
    Don't tap the tank !
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