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did i play this badly or am i results orientated.

The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
edited November 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
squashpro1 Small blind  £0.04 £0.04 £8.20
topchip Big blind  £0.08 £0.12 £7.04
 Your hole cards
  • 10
  • K
   
spursutd Call  £0.08 £0.20 £7.28
notme389 Raise  £0.16 £0.36 £5.54
fmob Call  £0.16 £0.52 £2.45
The_Don90 Call  £0.16 £0.68 £12.57
squashpro1 Fold     
topchip Fold     
spursutd Call  £0.08 £0.76 £7.20
Flop
  
  • 9
  • 6
  • 7
   
spursutd Check     
notme389 Bet  £0.76 £1.52 £4.78
fmob Call  £0.76 £2.28 £1.69
The_Don90 Raise  £3.04 £5.32 £9.53
spursutd Fold     
notme389 Call  £2.28 £7.60 £2.50
fmob All-in  £1.69 £9.29 £0.00
Turn
  
  • 7
   
notme389 Bet  £0.56 £9.85 £1.94
The_Don90 All-in  £9.53 £19.38 £0.00
notme389 All-in  £1.94 £21.32 £0.00
The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £7.03 £14.29 £7.03
notme389 Show
  • 10
  • 10
   
fmob Show
  • 6
  • A
   
The_Don90 Show
  • 10
  • K
   
River
  
  • Q
   
notme389 Win Two Pairs, 10s and 7s £13.21  £13.21
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited November 2011
    Givem their stack sizes and opening bet I'm just going to get it in on flop.
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited November 2011
    fold pre??

    Seems alright post if u want to gamble! but with ure BR i might be tempted to peel 1 on the flop
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  • lynx3ffectlynx3ffect Member Posts: 452
    edited November 2011
    what a mess lol

    fold pre, call flop, u dont have the world calm down!
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited November 2011
    same as lynx to be fair mate, maybe i would see the flop depending how the table was playing, no reason why you cant flat the flop and reassess the turn.
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited November 2011
    just call flop...there is a lot that hits that flop and plenty you can be drawing dead against on the turn.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    Yep disciplined fold pre would be better.

    Flop don't see the point in raising as you have zero fold equity against a player who has bet pot and then someone who's called that bet and most the equity is when you can make them fold sometimes but here you kinda know it's always going in plus you don't even have nut flush draw.

    Also like what someone said about the smaller BR and trying to limit variance, these spots are not tilted very much in your favour at all and you know you're basically flipping against most that calls and I personally don't think you need that risk right now.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited November 2011
    not folding pre

    flat flop readless

    Turn shove is pointless imo, what were you hoping to acheive
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited November 2011
    Yeah folding pre is far to nitty IMO.  Hate flatting flop, happier making a commiting raise, but thats just me.  Dont like the idea of calling pot on flop to fold blank river.  Would rather just fold flop (which is doubtful).

    Sorry just looked again, you do raise flop.  This is fine IMO.  Its a pure flip, where you make the last meaningful bet, being most important.

    If rolled for level (which I know you are) I do the same.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited November 2011
    Either 3 betting or flatting pre, depending on my mood, what gear I'm in, how the table is playing etc.

    Getting it in on the flop.  Two overs, 2nd nut flush draw and a gutshot?  That flop has me excited in a naughty way.
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited November 2011
    I dont like the semi bluff all in when your drawing to a flush draw on a paired board IMO
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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited November 2011
    Only bit I don't like is the shove on the end, but give strack sizes you're not going to fold when he shoves so I don't think you've done much wrong here.

    I think I'd have played it much the same (not that that should be much conselation).
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited November 2011
    shove on turn is really bad imo, flat and save 24BB when you miss
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited November 2011
    Fold pre.

    Call on flop is fine

    Shove on the turn is horrendous move.
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited November 2011
    Once you've made the committing bet on flop, you pretty much have to shove turn, given their stacks.  So it isnt essentialy bad.  This is simple.  You know it bud

    His flat on flop for 50% is the bad line.  He shoves here you call.  Hit or miss you just move on.  It gets grim due to his flat on flop.

    It would be bad putting yourself in a weird math/odds spot by flatting flop, sigh folding brick turn (when you've payed pot on flop).
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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: did i play this badly or am i results orientated.:
    Once you've made the committing bet on flop, you pretty much have to shove turn, given their stacks.  So it isnt essentialy bad.  This is simple.  You know it bud His flat on flop for 50% is the bad line.  He shoves here you call.  Hit or miss you just move on.  It gets grim due to his flat on turn. It would be bad putting yourself in a weird math/odds spot by flatting flop, sigh folding brick turn (when you've payed pot on flop).
    Posted by AMYBR
    I completely agree with this, the flop bet was committing so the rest is pretty irrelevant, you can't check fold the turn given his remaining stack so you may as well shove.  If you'd opted to just shove the flop (which would not be a bad move) the whole debate goes away.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: did i play this badly or am i results orientated.:
    Once you've made the committing bet on flop, you pretty much have to shove turn, given their stacks.  So it isnt essentialy bad.  This is simple.  You know it bud His flat on flop for 50% is the bad line.  He shoves here you call.  Hit or miss you just move on.  It gets grim due to his flat on flop. It would be bad putting yourself in a weird math/odds spot by flatting flop, sigh folding brick turn (when you've payed pot on flop).
    Posted by AMYBR
    1. On flop I think its pretty close between raising and shoving. I think myself calling will be more profitable in general, but Im open to being convinced otherwise. Just because we might fold turn sometimes doesnt mean raising is better than calling

    2. Just because me made a bet on flop that means we cant fold turn doesnt mean we should raise. Our only concern on turn is how to play the hand best with stacks and pot situation as it is. Explain why raising turn is better than calling, because to my mind raising is really bad on turn and its not simple to me that we should be shoving
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: did i play this badly or am i results orientated.:
    In Response to Re: did i play this badly or am i results orientated. : I completely agree with this, the flop bet was committing so the rest is pretty irrelevant, you can't check fold the turn given his remaining stack so you may as well shove.  If you'd opted to just shove the flop (which would not be a bad move) the whole debate goes away.
    Posted by Slykllist
    There is a third option other than folding or shoving turn, and it seems far better than shoving to me
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited November 2011
    Exactly Skylist.

    Anyone who says shove on turn is bad may need to look at stacksizes/potsize @ turn again.

    This means you grantorino :P
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: did i play this badly or am i results orientated.:
    Exactly. Anyone who says shove on turn is bad may need to look at stacksizes/potsize @ turn again. This means you grantorino :P
    Posted by AMYBR
    For once answer the question

    Why would shoving turn be better than calling turn?
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited November 2011
    For once answer the question???? Wow.

    I think most people would agree I cover pretty much most angles in my posts, perhaps too much.

    Are we really happy flatting, making a pot of 10.41 to c/f river when opponent has 1.94 back and we brick.

    Once we build pot to this size going to turn. given stack sizes and hand, money is going in regardless.  To argue otherwise is petty tbh bud.

    Just because opponent plays his hand and stack badly doesnt mean we have to.

    Name dropping you was meant to be a giggle.  I apologise
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