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Do we ever fold a set, b/f or b/c

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited November 2011 in The Poker Clinic



PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
TheRat1 Small blind   £0.04 £0.04 £2.27
blueflag Big blind   £0.08 £0.12 £11.70
  Your hole cards
  • 5
  • 5
     
rancid Raise   £0.24 £0.36 £17.46
dusithurt Fold        
CJ621 Call   £0.24 £0.60 £1.28
congo0013 Raise   £0.48 £1.08 £6.10
TheRat1 Fold        
blueflag Fold        
rancid Call   £0.24 £1.32 £17.22
CJ621 Call   £0.24 £1.56 £1.04
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 3
  • 5
     
rancid Bet   £0.78 £2.34 £16.44
CJ621 Fold        
congo0013 Call   £0.78 £3.12 £5.32
Turn
   
  • A
     
rancid Bet   £1.36 £4.48 £15.08
congo0013 All-in   £5.32 £9.80 £0.00
rancid ?
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited November 2011
    I call this defo , looks like AK to me
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  • QuadKingsQuadKings Member Posts: 69
    edited November 2011
    Id call this depending on reads if your behind you still have outs but yh id call it
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited November 2011

    prob c/r flop, if you bet, bet bigger

    bet turn bigger, snapcall now. Not ever folding a set 80BB deep in a 3bet pot

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2011
    Snapppitofff!
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited November 2011
    The 3 bet was only min here, what does he normally 3bet? If AK would we not expect a larger 3 bet? Could it be AA so we have set over set.... not a snap call here IMO but cant see how you can get away from it.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: Do we ever fold a set, b/f or call:
    prob c/r flop, if you bet, bet bigger bet turn bigger, snapcall now. Not ever folding a set 80BB deep in a 3bet pot
    Posted by grantorino
    Are we not putting oppo on a 3 bet pre range where we can lead or c/r, either way we are looking very likely to get action

    Pro's for c/r versus the cons of leading ?

    I feel both look as strong as each other, but oppo will still find it hard to fold

    I am thinking if I had a draw or Qx what would I do ? Lead, c/c or c/r - infact more importantly how would oppo react to the lead






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  • SALT1R3SALT1R3 Member Posts: 319
    edited November 2011
    Depends on your history with the guy if any; he's playing the button fairly strong and it does look like AK/Q on the flop as I reckon if he's flush-drawing he would've played the flop stronger - I could be wrong on that as I am a noob but I like to try and figure the logic in other people's decisions. For me its an insta-call; if it is a flush then your still not that big a dog since you have ten outs to house up on the river. 
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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited November 2011

    hes 3-bet pre flop called the flop raised allin on the turn im puttin my money on he has qq or aa and panicked because the board has came 3 clubs and shipped it but it is totally opponent dependant imo.

    so think he has you toatally crushed or makin a bluff here.

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited November 2011
    DEFO check raise, honestly I never used to do it but Dohhhh recommended it in one of my threads ages ago and it really does work SO well, so here he cbets around £1.20 and then you can raise to whatever you want lol but basically enough to stick him in.

    As played you gotta donk bet bigger than half pot at least £1.30 if you bet but c/r is better imo.

    Turn gotta call not even 100bb deep.

    Overall though c/r makes it much easier.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: Do we ever fold a set, b/f or b/c:
    DEFO check raise, honestly I never used to do it but Dohhhh recommended it in one of my threads ages ago and it really does work SO well, so here he cbets around £1.20 and then you can raise to whatever you want lol but basically enough to stick him in. As played you gotta donk bet bigger than half pot at least £1.30 if you bet but c/r is better imo. Turn gotta call not even 100bb deep. Overall though c/r makes it much easier.
    Posted by Dudeskin8

    Funny that but on another hand I posted, the advice I got was don't c/r but bet out.
    I wish you people would make your minds up )
    I have lead here expecting to be  raised on that board

    I would love to hear from GT/Doooh or anyone else via pm if you prefer, regarding the c/r versus lead debate.
    What situations are best for each and why ?

    I'll post the result of the hand later
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  • RandomRivRandomRiv Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2011
    I am probably calling this.
    Interested to see what he had. Seen allot small 3bets with AA and also with hands like AQ more than I have with AK.
    So im going for the AQ or flush option cos I think he raises the flop with AA and 2 clubs on board at these stakes.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited November 2011
    Result, weird oppo doesn't raise my lead on flop
       
    • A
    		     
    rancid Bet   £1.36 £4.48 £15.08
    congo0013 All-in   £5.32 £9.80 £0.00
    rancid Call   £3.96 £13.76 £11.12
    rancid Show
    • 5
    • 5
    		     
    congo0013 Show
    • A
    • Q
    		     
    River
       
    • 4
    		     
    rancid Win Three 5s £12.72   £23.84
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  • steelrodsteelrod Member Posts: 1,234
    edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: Do we ever fold a set, b/f or call:
    I call this defo , looks like AK to me
    Posted by debdobs_67
    sets lose more times than they win,lose to st8.flush all the time
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