did i play this bad? NL4

Swog

Swog	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.88
dispol	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£8.64
	Your hole cards	J 6
nibla	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.40
5c0u53	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£1.57
Swog	Call		£0.02	£0.16	£3.86
dispol	Raise		£0.16	£0.32	£8.48
nibla	Call		£0.16	£0.48	£4.24
5c0u53	Call		£0.16	£0.64	£1.41
Swog	Call		£0.16	£0.80	£3.70
Flop
		J 4 6
Swog	Check
dispol	Bet		£0.24	£1.04	£8.24
nibla	Call		£0.24	£1.28	£4.00
5c0u53	Call		£0.24	£1.52	£1.17
Swog	Raise		£1.12	£2.64	£2.58
dispol	All-in		£8.24	£10.88	£0.00
nibla	Fold
5c0u53	Fold
Swog	All-in		£2.58	£13.46	£0.00
dispol	Unmatched bet		£4.78	£8.68	£4.78
Swog	Show	J 6
dispol	Show	J K
Turn
		K
River
		K
dispol	Win	Full House, Kings and Jacks	£8.02

Dudeskin8

Fold pre flop, making up is ok but not with J6 suited that needs to hit two pair/trips.flush draws to be any good.

Flop is fine and standard bad beat yaaaaaawn.

waynec

I dont mind the call for a cheap flop as long as you look for the flush, once the pot was raised your hand should have been in the muck. J6 in any position is a big NO NO at 4nl!

mcglynn07

Not really Swog, I think you played the hand reasonably well. Calling a raise as you had money in pot only 2pence but see it cheaply. Great flop for you which you rep and get it in good while you are ahead. When dispol shoved you expect to see a set or aces or kings. He sucked out on you but bear it in mind next time. Playing cash is difficult but Durr and brunson can play these hands. When your skill is greater call with J6 suited. Suited connectors are much better when you are in the blinds, not suited non connectors ... Danny

waynec

In Response to Re: did i play this bad? NL4:

Not really Swog, I think you played the hand reasonably well. Calling a raise as you had money in pot only 2pence but see it cheaply. Great flop for you which you rep and get it in good while you are ahead. When dispol shoved you expect to see a set or aces or kings. He sucked out on you but bear it in mind next time. Playing cash is difficult but Durr and brunson can play these hands. When your skill is greater call with J6 suited. Suited connectors are much better when you are in the blinds, not suited non connectors ... Danny
Posted by mcglynn07

I cant see how you can see a pot cheaply by calling a raise, seeing the pot cheaply is 1bb but once the raise came into play with J rag suited its muck time! Once Swog had seen the flop his fate was sealed with 2 pair he had to think he was ahead, its his weak kicker that got him into trouble and he could not play it any different apart from folding preflop which he should have done!! 

The_Don90

yer easy fold pre. flop plays itself.

grantorino

In Response to Re: did i play this bad? NL4:

Not really Swog, I think you played the hand reasonably well. Calling a raise as you had money in pot only 2pence but see it cheaply. Great flop for you which you rep and get it in good while you are ahead. When dispol shoved you expect to see a set or aces or kings. He sucked out on you but bear it in mind next time. Playing cash is difficult but Durr and brunson can play these hands. When your skill is greater call with J6 suited. Suited connectors are much better when you are in the blinds, not suited non connectors ... Danny
Posted by mcglynn07

Maybe, but they might adjust their games quite dramatically if they played 4NL against unknowns, some of whom are shallow stacked

EvilPingu

I can understand your play in this hand. Trying to see a flop for 2p in the small blind is fair enough, because with that many opponents, I'd be confident that if I hit 2 pair or a flush, one of my opponents at least has some sort of hand to pay me off with. I fold to the raise though.

As played, unlucky, but it's a fold pre IMO.

jugglegeek

At NL4 I would muck J6s from the small blind even if all five players before me had limped! It's a horrible hand and at NL4 you have no fold equity. Even if you hit a flush it is a jack high flush and easily beaten in a six way pot.

There's the big blind to worry about. It's not uncommon at NL4 to see a family pot raised by the big blind to 28p and everyone else calls the raise... Then what? you are closing the action and it's 24p to call getting almost 6:1 but your hand is still rubbish.

You cannot out play people at NL4, you can only wait for value hands, raise for value and get called. J6s is not a value hand.

OP once you make top two pair you are correct to raise and your raise size is just the right size to give the illusion to your opponent that you might fold if he shoves (which is what we want to happen). You played if fine after the flop and it was a bad beat. But just don't play these hands. If you are playing these hands because you want action and are getting board then play more tables at once

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: did i play this bad? NL4:

At NL4 I would muck J6s from the small blind even if all five players before me had limped! It's a horrible hand and at NL4 you have no fold equity. Even if you hit a flush it is a jack high flush and easily beaten in a six way pot. There's the big blind to worry about. It's not uncommon at NL4 to see a family pot raised by the big blind to 28p and everyone else calls the raise... Then what? you are closing the action and it's 24p to call getting almost 6:1 but your hand is still rubbish. You cannot out play people at NL4, you can only wait for value hands, raise for value and get called. J6s is not a value hand. OP once you make top two pair you are correct to raise and your raise size is just the right size to give the illusion to your opponent that you might fold if he shoves (which is what we want to happen). You played if fine after the flop and it was a bad beat. But just don't play these hands. If you are playing these hands because you want action and are getting board then play more tables at once
Posted by jugglegeek

+1 to this, if you are in ANY way playing NL4 properly you should have ticked the check/fold button the second you saw your hand here and got ready for the next hand on a different table.

Swog

Thank you for your replies guys, i was unsure whether i made the right call pre-flop i was ready to instantly muck my weak holding, but due to every player 'coming along for the ride' after the raise i felt i was 'priced in'.

After that i think i played it well, which has been stated. Most likely being ahead, i felt it was time to get the money in.

debdobs_67

Nothin wrong with post flop play BUT as all have said its a easy fold pre.

Swog

Thanks for the help on this one, i no longer play any old suited cards

RandomRiv

Fold pre flop.
So many times here you will hit a flush but get stacked by a higher flush. They are dangerous cards and usually cost you more in the long run calling with them pre flop