I'm growing to dislike Trips. (NL4)

ZedsDeadBa

They look so exciting but I lose more than I win, particularly when I get greedy with them!

Do you think getting to relatively cheap showdowns is the way to go?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
pkrchick88	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.80
BillyWiz68	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.79
	Your hole cards	Q J
fasho	Fold
Googly69	Fold
ZedsDeadBa	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.18
pip19	Fold
pkrchick88	Call		£0.02	£0.12	£1.78
BillyWiz68	Check
Flop
		Q 2 Q
pkrchick88	Check
BillyWiz68	Check
ZedsDeadBa	Check
Turn
		K
pkrchick88	Bet		£0.04	£0.16	£1.74
BillyWiz68	Fold
ZedsDeadBa	Raise		£0.08	£0.24	£4.10
pkrchick88	Call		£0.04	£0.28	£1.70
River
		5
pkrchick88	Bet		£0.28	£0.56	£1.42
ZedsDeadBa	Raise		£1.12	£1.68	£2.98
pkrchick88	All-in		£1.42	£3.10	£0.00
ZedsDeadBa	Call		£0.58	£3.68	£2.40
pkrchick88	Show	2 2
ZedsDeadBa	Show	Q J
pkrchick88	Win	Full House, 2s and Queens	£3.40		£3.40

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Dudeskin8

DO NOT open limp pre, raise or fold, I prefer raise.

As played bet flop like 12p should be more if raised pre.

Turn what the **** are you MIN raising for, at least 25p here again more if pot is raised pre.

River you finally find raise button but this is BAD as if he had any draw previously (I know unlikely on this board but longterm it's AWFUL) you have given him super duper cool lets go party odds to hit, river is standard.

ZedsDeadBa

In Response to Re: I'm growing to dislike Trips. (NL4):

DO NOT open limp pre, raise or fold, I prefer raise. As played bet flop like 12p should be more if raised pre. Turn what the **** are you MIN raising for, at least 25p here again more if pot is raised pre. River you finally find raise button but this is BAD as if he had any draw previously (I know unlikely on this board but longterm it's AWFUL) you have given him super duper cool lets go party odds to hit, river is standard.
Posted by Dudeskin8

Dude, you've really gotta stop ****-footing around and tell me whats on your mind!

Good response though and well funny.

Thanks.

Z.

Bobsicool3

Dont limp

dont check flop

if u did both of those it wud of been a bad beat as opposed to bad play.

rancid

raise pre -

check flop is ok

raise turn but more


ul on river

DOHHHHHHH

Aghhhhhh bet sizing @ nl4! How many times :@:@:

I can live with the limp.

But you gotta make some bets when you flop massive hands!

In 2 streets (flop & turn) we manage to get a total of 2 big blinds over the line........

ZedsDeadBa

Aw c'mon guys I'm getting better!

It's just that I'm getting real paranoid with trips. Sets are cool no problem I can play em like a pro but I seem to run into a house almost every time with trips and in the past I was forever stacking myself!!!!!

Hence the post.

It won't happen again I promise, however if I get stacked again........I'll be back.

Z.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: I'm growing to dislike Trips. (NL4):

Aghhhhhh bet sizing @ nl4! How many times :@:@:@:@ I can live with the limp. But you gotta make some bets when you flop massive hands! In 2 streets (flop & turn) we manage to get a total of 2 big blinds over the line........
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Sorry but you can not in ANY way be encouraging this play, it's folded round you're in CO, super standard raise spot, open limping achieves nothing imo and if you don't want to raise as blinds are short just fold, if you haven't got the discipline to then you have problems.

Poker_Fail

In Response to Re: I'm growing to dislike Trips. (NL4):

Aw c'mon guys I'm getting better! It's just that I'm getting real paranoid with trips. Sets are cool no problem I can play em like a pro but I seem to run into a house almost every time with trips and in the past I was forever stacking myself!!!!! Hence the post. It won't happen again I promise, however if I get stacked again........I'll be back. Z.
Posted by ZedsDeadBa

In this hand you were willing to set him all in on the river, so you should have been willing to do that on the flop and turn

DOHHHHHHH

I would open coz I'm a confident post flop player at this level.

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The limp can still be profitable. 

There r much bigger problems with the hand than the limp in pre.

As for "it achieves nothing" - I dunno what this means, but it gives us an opportunity to see a flop and make a big hand with cards which have potential to do so, against players who will call our value bets extremely light.

Dudeskin8

I would think raising and trying isolate against one player would be better which gives you chance to make a cbet (they do work at NL4 when used properly, heads up for instance) but also have a larger pot for when you get flops like this.

Yes players call with any two and pot will get larger but even betting pot here on flop and turn and getting called makes pot £1.08 on river and that's with rake included which is it won't be so river Vbet can't be as good well unless you overbet ofcourse but better when pot is similar to stack ratio.

ZedsDeadBa

In Response to Re: I'm growing to dislike Trips. (NL4):

I would think raising and trying isolate against one player would be better which gives you chance to make a cbet (they do work at NL4 when used properly, heads up for instance) but also have a larger pot for when you get flops like this. Yes players call with any two and pot will get larger but even betting pot here on flop and turn and getting called makes pot £1.08 on river and that's with rake included which is it won't be so river Vbet can't be as good well unless you overbet ofcourse but better when pot is similar to stack ratio.
Posted by Dudeskin8

Thanks everyone as ever, plenty to remember and some clear mistakes pointed out, despite my excuses.

Z.

Lambert180

The key Zed is don't slowplay ever (I assume that was what you were doing)... when you flop trips like this at 4NL bet at least 75% of the pot on the flop, and same again 75% of pot on the turn, you just wanna get all the chips in when you flop this hand (most time they won't have also flopped a set lol)