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Was this a good fold? QQ Pre-flop

ExLeper78ExLeper78 Member Posts: 42
edited December 2011 in The Poker Clinic
fullhouse1Small blind 10.0010.004815.00josh30Big blind 20.0030.004980.00 Your hole cardsQQ   ExLeper78Raise 60.0090.005050.00music1Raise 140.00230.004790.00PacmanianFold    sedgy123Fold    fullhouse1Fold    josh30Call 120.00350.004860.00ExLeper78Raise 320.00670.004730.00music1Raise 1120.001790.003670.00josh30Call 1120.002910.003740.00ExLeper78Fold    Flop  24K   josh30Check    music1All-in 3670.006580.000.00josh30Fold    music1Muck    music1Win 2910.00 2910.00music1Return 3670.000.006580.00
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited December 2011
    I don't have a clue what Josh30 is doing there, besides giving chips away, lol.

    However, I doubt the other guy would be 5-betting you after you've raised UTG unless they've got a premium hand themselves. You can pretty much put the opponent on QQ, KK, AA or AK, queens are very unlikely, AK you're racing, AA and KK are crushing you.

    You're 50/50 at best, probably much worse if you go all in pre-flop, so I think you're right to fold here.
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  • Tuddy16Tuddy16 Member Posts: 3
    edited December 2011
    its ok saying you can put him on AA or KK etc etc but the majority of people dont think lke that, they see an ace and go for it, i have just gone out of a bounty hunter with QQ. I re raise a guy by 4 times his original raise, he still calls with A 9. I raise the flop and he goes all in and hits his ACE on the river and im out,,,,evaluate all you want but the idiots will never go away!! online poker is a lottery!!!
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    don't 4 bet unless your happy getting it in
    plus 4 bet bigger





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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a good fold? QQ Pre-flop:
    its ok saying you can put him on AA or KK etc etc but the majority of people dont think lke that, they see an ace and go for it, i have just gone out of a bounty hunter with QQ. I re raise a guy by 4 times his original raise, he still calls with A 9. I raise the flop and he goes all in and hits his ACE on the river and im out,,,,evaluate all you want but the idiots will never go away!! online poker is a lottery!!!
    Posted by Tuddy16
    That's what notes are for. Assume everyone is a decent player until you know otherwise, then make notes when he calls you with junk :)
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited December 2011
    4bet bigger, then get it in. Unless he is the biggest nit in nitsville
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    QQ  is not massive in a deep stack imo
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  • ExLeper78ExLeper78 Member Posts: 42
    edited December 2011
    My main concern was Josh30. He had called 5 bets. If it had been two handed I think I might have shoved on music1. As it was Josh30 wasn't going anywhere.

    Concerning notes, I didn't have time to make any as this was only the fourth hand in a deep stack tournament.
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited December 2011
    I think that is a very good fold WP! You are facing AA if music1 had KK he would be looking for a C/R with a set.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited December 2011
    Sorry, I've only just realised how deep the stacks are for the blind levels, didn't read the OP properly lol. Yeah I think you can fold here, just cos it's so early on in a DS and you're not gonna be in great shape here against someone willing to put 125BBs into the pot pre (if they called your shove)
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  • ricky1984ricky1984 Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2011
    Never folding, but i would prob flat the re-raise. As you are deep, there is no need to get it all-in, which is why you shouldnt of 4-bet folded.

    As its so early, you prob dont have much of a read on music, but i dont think you can just chuck QQ away so easily imo.
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Was this a good fold? QQ Pre-flop:
    Never folding, but i would prob flat the re-raise. As you are deep, there is no need to get it all-in, which is why you shouldnt of 4-bet folded. As its so early, you prob dont have much of a read on music, but i dont think you can just chuck QQ away so easily imo.
    Posted by ricky1984
    I have to disagree with you ricky m8, early stages so why chase when you are most likely behind fold and find a better spot to spend your stack on.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited December 2011
    woohoo lets 4bet bluff the 3rd nuts when the first and secoond nuts never ever fold

    seriously dont 4b/f QQ
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