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rivered again bad luck or bad play? need advice

mahonedogmahonedog Member Posts: 22
edited December 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
twokings Sit out     
snapes Sit out     
ECCENTRIC Small blind  600.00 600.00 27765.00
mahonedog Big blind  1200.00 1800.00 23675.00
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • 10
     
HIBBY07 Fold     
teddy707 Call  1200.00 3000.00 56235.00
ECCENTRIC Call  600.00 3600.00 27165.00
mahonedog Raise  1200.00 4800.00 22475.00
teddy707 Call  1200.00 6000.00 55035.00
ECCENTRIC Call  1200.00 7200.00 25965.00
Flop
   
  • J
  • A
  • 10
     
ECCENTRIC Check     
mahonedog Bet  5400.00 12600.00 17075.00
teddy707 Call  5400.00 18000.00 49635.00
ECCENTRIC Fold     
Turn
   
  • 5
     
mahonedog All-in  17075.00 35075.00 0.00
teddy707 Call  17075.00 52150.00 32560.00
mahonedog Show
  • A
  • 10
   
teddy707 Show
  • A
  • 7
   
River
   
  • J
     
teddy707 Win Flush to the Ace 52150.00  84710.00
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    shove pre or raise more

    shove flop
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  • MISTER_BMISTER_B Member Posts: 59
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: rivered again bad luck or bad play? need advice:
    shove pre or raise more shove flop
    Posted by rancid
    agreed I would definatly bet more pre, minraise is too weak
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited December 2011
    My perception here is that oppo wouldnt fold pre , on flop OR turn so just vvul
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited December 2011
    Very easy shove pre, looks like you've MR'd here, this is crazy as they have to call and most times you miss flop.

    Post flop is good, defo not shoving flop with 22k behind and 7k in middle, we want calls not scare anything but made hands away.

    @ Debs - That response seems VERY results orientated to me and doesn't change the fact his murdered the hand preflop.
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited December 2011
    I must admit, my first thought here was shove pre after some pretty weak action in front of you or at least raise more to have the hand done and dusted pre flop especially out of position.

    If you take the pre flop play out of it, then the rest is fine and you were a big favourite going to the river card. Unlucky at the end but the pre flop play was probably where the hand went wrong in my opinion.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: rivered again bad luck or bad play? need advice:
    Very easy shove pre, looks like you've MR'd here, this is crazy as they have to call and most times you miss flop. Post flop is good, defo not shoving flop with 22k behind and 7k in middle, we want calls not scare anything but made hands away. @ Debs - That response seems VERY results orientated to me and doesn't change the fact his murdered the hand preflop.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Well just looks like a raggy A player to me so i stand by what i said , tho obv the minraise pre was the wrong play.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: rivered again bad luck or bad play? need advice:
    In Response to Re: rivered again bad luck or bad play? need advice : Well just looks like a raggy A player to me so i stand by what i said , tho obv the minraise pre was the wrong play.
    Posted by debdobs_67
    You can put him exactly on a rag ace by his open limp? Well wouldn't that make shove pre better as you KNOW you're a fave if it goes in pre?
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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited December 2011
    Limpers could easily be set miners. Min raise is never going to get rid of them,whatever their hand is. I'm making this a minimum of 3600. If both still call it's an easy shove on a wet flop.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: rivered again bad luck or bad play? need advice:
    In Response to Re: rivered again bad luck or bad play? need advice : You can put him exactly on a rag ace by his open limp? Well wouldn't that make shove pre better as you KNOW you're a fave if it goes in pre?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Ofc i cant , dont think ure quiet umderstanding what im sayin tbh , cos he DID call the min raise pre a raggy ACE is pretty common here as is small pp's , AK AQ AJ A10 KQ KJ usually raise pre , also as i DID SAY in reply to ure 1st post the min raise was not good ;)

    ps i still reckon he woulda called an all-in shove anyway
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited December 2011
    raise more pre
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  • mahonedogmahonedog Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: rivered again bad luck or bad play? need advice:
    shove pre or raise more shove flop
    Posted by rancid
    blinds wernt big enough and A10 suited, at preraise to go all in is a bit risky but floping two pair should have shoved def will next time
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  • mahonedogmahonedog Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2011
    was a bit drunk when playing so i got  pisshed and fished at same time lol
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited December 2011
    Min raise with AT dont make sense and dont tell me "I was building a pot!" with AT you need to raise 3X
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