Min raise from very tight player and big draw

waynec

No reads on xx but noted he had not raised a hand during my time on the table about 20 mins, never defended his blind pre or post flop. So what does this min raise mean???

wasnmee	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£12.93
	Your hole cards	A 7
waynec	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£10.12
xx	Raise		£0.20	£0.45	£15.53
gunn01651	Fold
xstuart	Fold
cowbag_69	Call		£0.15	£0.60	£8.42
wasnmee	Call		£0.10	£0.70	£12.83
waynec	Call		£0.10	£0.80	£10.02
Flop
		8 K A
cowbag_69	Check
wasnmee	Check
waynec	Bet		£0.80	£1.60	£9.22
xxx	Raise		£1.60	£3.20	£13.93

What do I do here top pair and flush draw? I dont think we can fold so do we call or shove as he most likely has an A?/KK/QQ?

grantorino

fold or raise pre

call now

ricky1984

Yeah not sure why we are limping with this hand, and also would of preferred a check/raise on the flop

YOUNG_GUN

I wouldnt raise or fold pre, limps fine on this occasion

Dream flop get it in asap click min raise back and hope he shoves

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw:

fold or raise pre call now
Posted by grantorino

I disagree Mr GT, A7 isnt really a raising hand and you wouldnt if it wasnt suited oop. with the pot odds limping is fine and a pretty dream board really for our hand, if we've missed or dont hit the flop this hard we can easy c/f. obviously as long as the limper is diciplined post flop and doesnt stack of less then 2 pair/flush then its fine

rob12345

deffo call never fold don't y u put it up getting like u are a decent player and know its a call and limpping at the start is bad wif hands like rag aces dont do it

yb

In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw:

In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw : I disagree Mr GT, A7 isnt really a raising hand and you wouldnt if it wasnt suited oop. with the pot odds limping is fine and a pretty dream board really for our hand, if we've missed or dont hit the flop this hard we can easy c/f. obviously as long as the limper is diciplined post flop and doesnt stack of less then 2 pair/flush then its fine
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

open limping is just terrible in online 6max poker imo, you're just going to get owned so badly by anyone who's decent and reasonably aggresive. there are so many more reasons to raise than limp in when you're first into the pot, if you don't want to raise with a hand from a particular position in an unopened pot you should just fold it because it's obviously junk.

also against a very tight player what range do you think we get it in against on this flop? and to the OP why on earth would you think a nit could have QQ here?

YOUNG_GUN

Sorry misread i thought he was BB, i have had 2-3 hours kip in my defence

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw:

Sorry misread i thought he was BB, i have had 2-3 hours kip in my defence
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

lol standard

easy call now u wayncure !!!

waynec

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In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw : lol standard easy call now u wayncure !!!
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

LOL! that name is banned by Sky now remember!

waynec

Ok Why are we limping with this hand????

Because I raise 95% of the time I enter a pot and limp with a wide range of hands at times, its good to vary your play from time to time. I was looking for the flush draw cheaply, which I got and hit and proved a very profitable play against AK which I put him on. As stated I put XX on a big hand. If I had raised he would have 3bet and I would have had to fold, if you have any reads on a players play you have to use that information accordingly weather it be text book play or not. And all the those spouting text book play about raising will and have limpt with pairs and other hands, if they say not I dont believe them. Lets remember not many years ago it was considered unsporting and bad poker to C/R, you have to try new plays even if the text book says they are wrong.

I have a weak passive player whom will most likely let me draw very cheaply even when he has the best hand, against this type of player Im calling with rag A suited/small PP looking for a set or draw.

rob12345

In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw:

Ok Why are we limping with this hand???? Because I raise 95% of the time I enter a pot and limp with a wide range of hands at times, its good to vary your play from time to time. I was looking for the flush draw cheaply, which I got and hit and proved a very profitable play against AK which I put him on. As stated I put XX on a big hand. If I had raised he would have 3bet and I would have had to fold, if you have any reads on a players play you have to use that information accordingly weather it be text book play or not. And all the those spouting text book play about raising will and have limpt with pairs and other hands, if they say not I dont believe them. Lets remember not many years ago it was considered unsporting and bad poker to C/R, you have to try new plays even if the text book says they are wrong. I have a weak passive player whom will most likely let me draw very cheaply even when he has the best hand, against this type of player Im calling with rag A suited/small PP looking for a set or draw.
Posted by waynec

still don't like the limp wif this sort of hand that deep. if u are going limp then it should be wif hands that are not going to get u into trouble where u know wot u wot to hit and if u miss can get away cheaply. if u hit the ace very easily could be out kicked and u get raise in this spot very often by player try isolate you and wot are going to do then call and make it ten time worst of fold and wast the chips

waynec

In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw:

In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw : still don't like the limp wif this sort of hand that deep. if u are going limp then it should be wif hands that are not going to get u into trouble where u know wot u wot to hit and if u miss can get away cheaply. if u hit the ace very easily could be out kicked and u get raise in this spot very often by player try isolate you and wot are going to do then call and make it ten time worst of fold and wast the chips
Posted by rob12345

No offence but you have not read my comment I called for the flush draw only, clearly stated and if an A came with a weak kicker I would not be investing. cheap calls will A suited connectors must be played the same as small PP unless you hit your flush/set forget it.

rob12345

In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw:

In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw : No offence but you have not read my comment I called for the flush draw only, clearly stated and if an A came with a weak kicker I would not be investing. cheap calls will A suited connectors must be played the same as small PP unless you hit your flush/set forget it.
Posted by waynec

but only hit a flush like 4% of the time so dont know how it can be +ev

debdobs_67

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In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw : but only hit a flush like 4% of the time so dont know how it can be +ev
Posted by rob12345

I somewhat seriously disagree with this %age as far as my experience (2 1/2 yrs) of online poker go's

rob12345

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In Response to Re: Min raise from very tight player and big draw : I somewhat seriously disagree with this %age as far as my experience (2 1/2 yrs) of online poker go's
Posted by debdobs_67

haha u must hit loads then lol