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Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited December 2011 in The Poker Clinic

Mini open

How does yoyo not fold there :s
Does my line scream AK here

or is this just a blind on blind stack off :()


PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
yoyo Small blind   10.00 10.00 1970.00
rancid Big blind   20.00 30.00 1930.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • J
     
guiney09 Call   20.00 50.00 1730.00
Da_Fish432 Fold        
1bigdaddy Fold        
Maj Fold        
yoyo Raise   80.00 130.00 1890.00
rancid Raise   280.00 410.00 1650.00
guiney09 Fold        
yoyo Raise   560.00 970.00 1330.00
rancid All-in   1650.00 2620.00 0.00
yoyo Call   1300.00 3920.00 30.00
yoyo Show
  • Q
  • Q
     
rancid Show
  • J
  • J
     
Flop
   
  • 9
  • 3
  • 2
     
Turn
   
  • 2
     
River
   
  • 2
     
yoyo Win Full House, 2s and Queens 3920.00   3950.00
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited December 2011
    im not folding QQ here against you in a million years!

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro:
    im not folding QQ here against you in a million years!
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    Not sure if thats bad or good :()

    can anyone find folds here given situation
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited December 2011
    100bbs deep I'm NEVER folding QQ pre here against anyone let alone you lol
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro:
    100bbs deep I'm NEVER folding QQ pre here against anyone let alone you lol
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    lol - blind on blind always throw up wierd dynamics where no one is allowed to wake up with a hand in the blinds :)
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited December 2011
    are you seriously expecting a good player to 4b/f QQ ever? esp bvb
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to x:
    are you seriously expecting a good player to 4b/f QQ ever? esp bvb
    Posted by grantorino
    no )

    I just can't credit oppo with QQ+ here, but I think it's bad - by 5 bet shoving I am just bluffing here or will oppo turn up with AK enough :s



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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited December 2011
    You are not 5bet bluffing here.

    Just UL to run big hand into big hand.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro:
    You are not 5bet bluffing here. Just UL to run big hand into big hand.
    Posted by scotty77
    emmm cheers, kinda makes me feel better

    Was thinking afterwards, maybe I should have 3 bet folded
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited December 2011
    No always make a 3bet with a plan.  If you are gonna 3bet fold a hand as strong as JJ then just flat call and set mine....but JJ is too strong a hand to 3bet fold v Thew
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited December 2011
    this hand looks pretty standard too me
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  • LadyFingrsLadyFingrs Member Posts: 613
    edited December 2011
    So wait. You shoved JJ as a bluff, to try and get him to fold exactly QQ? Or KK as well?

    JJ shove is fine, but because he calls with worse not because he folds better...
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro:
    No always make a 3bet with a plan.  If you are gonna 3bet fold a hand as strong as JJ then just flat call and set mine....but JJ is too strong a hand to 3bet fold v Thew
    Posted by scotty77

    My plan was not to fold v oppo given the situation, and just thought he could be 4 betting anything here including AK enough of the time   Given situation and oppo I thought at the time it was fine, afterwards I thought maybe I am just bluffing here, hence the title of fred.   All in all I just was not 100% convinced I made the right play given oppo 4 bet, where he obviously ain’t folding better prs EVER
     But from the eyes of Thew, who I would presume has no idea who I am :s My 5 bet shove can only be AA/KK/AK – from Pro’s POV is this an auto stack off versus random in this bvb situation - I guess so :s  

     

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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited December 2011
    If I was gonna fold it'd be those Jacks

    But Blind vs blind especially against someone like thew you probably have to lose here.
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