WELL I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION HERE WHY DONT SKY ARRANGE ONE EVENING A WEEK DEDICATED PURELY TO FINAL TABLES JUST A THOUGHT BUT I RECKON IT WOULD WORK AND EVERYONE WOULD KNOW WHEN THE FINAL TABLES ARE BEING SHOWN ANY ONE ELESE AGREE?
I am sure Sky in all of its wisdom will sort things out. It just will take a while to adjust to the new structures and bed in. GL at the tables, and good luck to all my mates going up to Manchester this weekend.
I am a great fan of the new structure. Its no longer a "donkament" and therefore i will play it more often now, in addition to my usual deepstacks... Posted by GREGHOGG
I WATCHED YOU GO DEEP IN THE OPEN THE OTHER NIGHT, I WAS ONE OF THE MANY CHEERING YOU ON. BUT IF YOU THINK IT IS NO LONGER A "DONKAMENT" , I DISAGREE. YOU WILL STILL GET ALOT OF THE SAME PLAYERS PLAYING IT, AND YOU WILL STILL GET THE SAME STUPID MOVES. SAME ENTRY FEE, SAME PRIZE MONEY. IT'S NOT GOING TO DETER THE LOOSER OR LESS EXPIERIENCED PLAYERS TAKING PART.GOOD LUCK AT THE TABLES.
I am sure Sky in all of its wisdom will sort things out. It just will take a while to adjust to the new structures and bed in. GL at the tables, and good luck to all my mates going up to Manchester this weekend. Charles, Col and Greg go get em boys! Posted by Grimstar30
It may not deter the looser players from taking part, but then again it wasn't supposed to do that. It was simply to make the tournament "more playable" for all players who want to take part.
Looking at some of the suggestions here, I think Sky will have to reduce some of the guarantees if they wish to cap it at 700, because if you have an £10+£1 tourney capped at 700, then it's not going to hit the £8,250 guarantee! As for playing later, most people who work probably want to be in bed by 12 rather than playing poker online!
An interesting one for Des and the Sky team, be interesting to see where they go here...
I think the lengthening of the blinds and the double stacks is a change for the better and suits the more discerning players, but the key differentiator between sky and any other site is that the tournament is televised. Cutting away from the action mid final table is not good. If you win the main event then you want to see yourself winning it - I remember Tikay has said there are reasons why coverage has to conclude at midnight, but it seems a shame when most of he events will tie up by 12.30.
Another alternative might be to begin the televised show at 9, as previously and run it on to the conclusion. I can understand they do not want to run over 4 hours, but they could use the initial half hour of the show to show highlights from the first hour - surely better to miss the early stages than the conclusion?
It may not deter the looser players from taking part, but then again it wasn't supposed to do that. It was simply to make the tournament "more playable" for all players who want to take part. Looking at some of the suggestions here, I think Sky will have to reduce some of the guarantees if they wish to cap it at 700, because if you have an £10+£1 tourney capped at 700, then it's not going to hit the £8,250 guarantee! As for playing later, most people who work probably want to be in bed by 12 rather than playing poker online! An interesting one for Des and the Sky team, be interesting to see where they go here... Posted by Kaidus
They boosted the guarantees by 25% for the first week only, so this will become a £7k guarantee next week
I am sure Sky in all of its wisdom will sort things out. It just will take a while to adjust to the new structures and bed in. GL at the tables, and good luck to all my mates going up to Manchester this weekend. Charles, Col and Greg go get em boys! Posted by Grimstar30
In Response to Re: the new format, what's the point! : I WATCHED YOU GO DEEP IN THE OPEN THE OTHER NIGHT, I WAS ONE OF THE MANY CHEERING YOU ON. BUT IF YOU THINK IT IS NO LONGER A "DONKAMENT" , I DISAGREE. YOU WILL STILL GET ALOT OF THE SAME PLAYERS PLAYING IT, AND YOU WILL STILL GET THE SAME STUPID MOVES. SAME ENTRY FEE, SAME PRIZE MONEY. IT'S NOT GOING TO DETER THE LOOSER OR LESS EXPIERIENCED PLAYERS TAKING PART.GOOD LUCK AT THE TABLES. Posted by chirker
I want inexperienced and poor players playing the better structure. This will give the advantage to the better players that know how to adjust to this structure and who also know how to exploit the weaker players and use this to their advantage.
I am a great fan of the new structure. Its no longer a "donkament" and therefore i will play it more often now, in addition to my usual deepstacks... Posted by GREGHOGG
I think it is a donkament still, which is good for my roi lol.
Well, yes, the Suits will be discussing this, & they may, or may not, seek, or listen, to my little bit of input.
My view is unequivicol, & I shall be writing to them to express it. You are all free to do so, too, if you so wish. You know who to write to - Sky-Des, Sky-Berie, or Sky-Rich.
Sky Poker is an Online Cardroom, & the TV Channel is a component of that Cardroom. The TV Channel exists to help the Cardroom achieve it's ends, & it does that well. But to change Structures to suit a TV Show would make no sense at all to me.
Last week was, in my opinion, a watershed for the Cardroom, it was the best week, ever ever ever on Sky Poker.com.
Was that because the Structures were better, or because the Guarantees were bigger? A bit of both, I expect. But we do know that the Main Events had record numbers, almost every night. Why? Well, it was either because....
1) The Structures were better
2) The Guarantees were better.
Or a combination.
We DO know it was not because the TV Channel did anything different - because they did not. They did what they do, & they did it superbly - but not differently. So the sudden & huge extra numbers were not down to the TV Shows.
So the tail cannot wag the dog.
Honestly, I feel incredibly strongly about this.
At last, we had good - no excellent - Structures, & this is the only way for the Cardroom to grow. Which is the whole idea!
I can now shout from the rootops, to the many many people I know in poker - "Guys, come to Sky Poker, we have GOOD Structures, & big Guarantees".
I would happily accept a "less good" Structure on a Thursday without argument, because Thursday has such a massive viewing audience via Sky Sports simulcast, which in turn feeds through to the Cardroom.. But I'll be gutted if the Structures are modified to suit the TV Show on Saturdays & Sundays. I'd accept it, of course I would, I'm low-maintenance, & just try to do my job well.
But as a player, I will now play every Main Event on Sky Poker that I'm able to, because with thse Structures, I can make it pay, & enjoy myself, & feel I've had value for my Entry Fee.
By the way, I did Thursday's & Saturday's Show, & in neither of them did we manage to show the conclusion. There was much nice comment on the Forum about how good those two Shows were - respect to Rich Orford & Sarah Champion, & the Producers, Chris & 'Ling for that - but not a squeak, not a single word, complaining that we had not shown the conclusion. There has been negative comment - in this Thread - about not seeing the end of Sunday's Tourney, but it's a question of who matters most - the players, or the viewers? Who do Sky Poker most need to satisfy?
I'm sure my views will get a bit twisted, too bad. I LOVE the Channel, & the Show, & it's changed my life doing Live Shows for Channel 865, I adore every moment in that Studio, I do. I hope it continues (for me) for a while yet, too, though at my age, I have limited shelf-life as an On-Screen Analyst, folks don't get revved up by old peeps on telly. But the whole business model is about improving the Product the Cardrom offers, & 865 needs to fit round that somehow.
These views are my own personal views, as a player, not as a representative of the Site or Channel.
i personally like to see the final table and the eventual winner get congratulated on the tele,but i LOVE the new structure so much more and hope it will stay.If it does i would suggest missing the start of the tourney on tv so that the end can be shown,just my opinion.
Tikay you do know that the posters freeroll is on the number of entries and not on the post with the most words don't you lol
Seriously though I do agree with the points that you make and although I would LIKE to see the final table played out to the end its not a deal breaker. I would much rather miss the end of the tournament on TV than have the structure of the games changed back to the way they were before.
Keep up the excellent work and LONG may you be here (NO ageism on Sky Poker)
In my own personal opinion, both, so long as Sky profit from it, and doesnt become too dear to run the show past 4 hours, and of course the analyst can last that long
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it is much better now that sky have increased the times of the blinds ....
An interesting one for Des and the Sky team, be interesting to see where they go here...
Another alternative might be to begin the televised show at 9, as previously and run it on to the conclusion. I can understand they do not want to run over 4 hours, but they could use the initial half hour of the show to show highlights from the first hour - surely better to miss the early stages than the conclusion?
If i make the dinner break i will be happy... lol
So happy its not bingo anymore.
Err....
Well, yes, the Suits will be discussing this, & they may, or may not, seek, or listen, to my little bit of input.
My view is unequivicol, & I shall be writing to them to express it. You are all free to do so, too, if you so wish. You know who to write to - Sky-Des, Sky-Berie, or Sky-Rich.
Sky Poker is an Online Cardroom, & the TV Channel is a component of that Cardroom. The TV Channel exists to help the Cardroom achieve it's ends, & it does that well. But to change Structures to suit a TV Show would make no sense at all to me.
Last week was, in my opinion, a watershed for the Cardroom, it was the best week, ever ever ever on Sky Poker.com.
Was that because the Structures were better, or because the Guarantees were bigger? A bit of both, I expect. But we do know that the Main Events had record numbers, almost every night. Why? Well, it was either because....
1) The Structures were better
2) The Guarantees were better.
Or a combination.
We DO know it was not because the TV Channel did anything different - because they did not. They did what they do, & they did it superbly - but not differently. So the sudden & huge extra numbers were not down to the TV Shows.
So the tail cannot wag the dog.
Honestly, I feel incredibly strongly about this.
At last, we had good - no excellent - Structures, & this is the only way for the Cardroom to grow. Which is the whole idea!
I can now shout from the rootops, to the many many people I know in poker - "Guys, come to Sky Poker, we have GOOD Structures, & big Guarantees".
I would happily accept a "less good" Structure on a Thursday without argument, because Thursday has such a massive viewing audience via Sky Sports simulcast, which in turn feeds through to the Cardroom.. But I'll be gutted if the Structures are modified to suit the TV Show on Saturdays & Sundays. I'd accept it, of course I would, I'm low-maintenance, & just try to do my job well.
But as a player, I will now play every Main Event on Sky Poker that I'm able to, because with thse Structures, I can make it pay, & enjoy myself, & feel I've had value for my Entry Fee.
By the way, I did Thursday's & Saturday's Show, & in neither of them did we manage to show the conclusion. There was much nice comment on the Forum about how good those two Shows were - respect to Rich Orford & Sarah Champion, & the Producers, Chris & 'Ling for that - but not a squeak, not a single word, complaining that we had not shown the conclusion. There has been negative comment - in this Thread - about not seeing the end of Sunday's Tourney, but it's a question of who matters most - the players, or the viewers? Who do Sky Poker most need to satisfy?
I'm sure my views will get a bit twisted, too bad. I LOVE the Channel, & the Show, & it's changed my life doing Live Shows for Channel 865, I adore every moment in that Studio, I do. I hope it continues (for me) for a while yet, too, though at my age, I have limited shelf-life as an On-Screen Analyst, folks don't get revved up by old peeps on telly. But the whole business model is about improving the Product the Cardrom offers, & 865 needs to fit round that somehow.
These views are my own personal views, as a player, not as a representative of the Site or Channel.
i personally like to see the final table and the eventual winner get congratulated on the tele,but i LOVE the new structure so much more and hope it will stay.If it does i would suggest missing the start of the tourney on tv so that the end can be shown,just my opinion.
Yes, it was a bit long, sorry! - but I happen to incline to the view that the subject is extremely important.
I was made up when the new Structures arrived, & the players proved they loved them, by playing in record numbers.
So the solution to the "problem" - (not being able to show the conclusionof the Tourney) needs to be engineered with some care.
Seriously though I do agree with the points that you make and although I would LIKE to see the final table played out to the end its not a deal breaker. I would much rather miss the end of the tournament on TV than have the structure of the games changed back to the way they were before.
Keep up the excellent work and LONG may you be here (NO ageism on Sky Poker)
Thanks Kiwi!
FWIW, I assume I am not eligible for the Posters Freeroll.
It is a VERY important debate though.
What do we want - better structures, or a TV Show which always shows the Final? Both would be ideal, but that's a big ask.
As a Player, I know what I want.
In my own personal opinion, both, so long as Sky profit from it, and doesnt become too dear to run the show past 4 hours, and of course the analyst can last that long