PLO8 - Massive draw, did I get maximum value?

EvilPingu

Think I could've got paid by more than 1 opponent, thoughts?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
bearace	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1965.00
mikey664	Big blind		30.00	45.00	2220.00
	Your hole cards	A 3 6 7
NoLimits	Fold
AusPom	Call		30.00	75.00	2920.00
jazzman227	Fold
EvilPingu	Call		30.00	105.00	1880.00
bearace	Call		15.00	120.00	1950.00
mikey664	Check
Flop
		4 9 5
bearace	Check
mikey664	Check
AusPom	Check
EvilPingu	Bet		120.00	240.00	1760.00
bearace	Fold
mikey664	Fold
AusPom	Call		120.00	360.00	2800.00
Turn
		8
AusPom	Check
EvilPingu	Bet		270.00	630.00	1490.00
AusPom	Call		270.00	900.00	2530.00
River
		10
AusPom	Check
EvilPingu	Bet		675.00	1575.00	815.00
AusPom	Fold
EvilPingu	Muck
EvilPingu	Win		900.00		1715.00
EvilPingu	Return		675.00	0.00	2390.00

EvilPingu

Moved from General Poker Chat?

Oops! Why did I put it in there...Lol

Talon

  There is one thing to remember about PLO vs NLHE and that is how many streets of value you can get. In NLHE it is quite possible to get all streets paid by a weaker hand but in PLO/PLO8 it is only common due to it being such a drawing game to get value on the flop and turn.River value tends not to get paid because they have missed or outdrawn you.

  With this in mind when entering a pot like this especially in position i would favour coming in with a preflop raise. It doesnt have to be much, just a minraise here is fine.This means that you still havent committed many chips to the pot or are you pot stuck but it allows you to bet bigger on both flop and turn therefore increasing your value.


 As played. I like your flop bet with only big draws you dont want to be playing 4 handed so your pot bet is good.The turn gives you nut hi and second nut lo so again i would be looking at pot here to really build the pot up.

  As to the river bet.You have bet 3/4pot with third nut hi and second nut lo. Is there reallistically any hand they could have here worse than yours which would call that bet.Any hand that calls that bet would probably taking some  of the pot away from you so i think a much smaller river bet is called for to get any value at all.

  Just my thoughts and others will probably disagree but hope it is of some help.

EvilPingu

In Response to Re: PLO8 - Massive draw, did I get maximum value?:

  There is one thing to remember about PLO vs NLHE and that is how many streets of value you can get. In NLHE it is quite possible to get all streets paid by a weaker hand but in PLO/PLO8 it is only common due to it being such a drawing game to get value on the flop and turn.River value tends not to get paid because they have missed or outdrawn you.   With this in mind when entering a pot like this especially in position i would favour coming in with a preflop raise. It doesnt have to be much, just a minraise here is fine.This means that you still havent committed many chips to the pot or are you pot stuck but it allows you to bet bigger on both flop and turn therefore increasing your value.  As played. I like your flop bet with only big draws you dont want to be playing 4 handed so your pot bet is good.The turn gives you nut hi and second nut lo so again i would be looking at pot here to really build the pot up.   As to the river bet.You have bet 3/4pot with third nut hi and second nut lo. Is there reallistically any hand they could have here worse than yours which would call that bet.Any hand that calls that bet would probably taking some  of the pot away from you so i think a much smaller river bet is called for to get any value at all.   Just my thoughts and others will probably disagree but hope it is of some help.
Posted by Talon

Pre-flop: Never thought about the min raise like that, I guess if all the pre-flop limpers call my min raise, all my bets in later street are bigger, so I get twice as much value when I hit but only lose 30 chips when I don't? I like that I guess I'm too used to NLHE where a min raise there would just be fishy, lol

Flop: Yep, didn't want it multi way, really.

Turn: Idk why, but I hate betting pot twice in a row, but point taken and I agree, should've probably bet pot.

River: Thought this was where I went wrong, thought my bet size scared off the opponent, hence posting this thread - Point definitely taken.