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Could I of made more from this hand?

Twenny_PTwenny_P Member Posts: 81
edited December 2011 in The Poker Clinic

Did I play to get most out of hand or should I of bet bigger?

Hand History #454883692 (12:21 27/12/2011)

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
tomsbabe Small blind  10.00 10.00 2040.00
rob2334 Big blind  20.00 30.00 1980.00
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
IDJIUT Fold     
Twenny_P Raise  80.00 110.00 1920.00
Doublefort Call  80.00 190.00 1880.00
Akira78 Fold     
tomsbabe Fold     
rob2334 Call  60.00 250.00 1920.00
Flop
   
  • K
  • K
  • 3
     
rob2334 Check     
Twenny_P Bet  20.00 270.00 1900.00
Doublefort Call  20.00 290.00 1860.00
rob2334 Fold     
Turn
   
  • 9
     
Twenny_P Bet  40.00 330.00 1860.00
Doublefort Call  40.00 370.00 1820.00
River
   
  • 7
     
Twenny_P Bet  120.00 490.00 1740.00
Doublefort Call  120.00 610.00 1700.00
Twenny_P Show
  • K
  • K
   
Doublefort Muck
  • A
  • A
   
Twenny_P Win Four Kings 610.00  2350.00
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  • Twenny_PTwenny_P Member Posts: 81
    edited December 2011
    Can't get full screen dump of figures?
    Player
    		ActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    tomsbabeSmall blind 10102040
    rob2334Big blind 20301980
     Your hole cardsK    
    K 
    IDJIUTFold    
    Twenny_PRaise 801101920
    DoublefortCall 801901880
    Akira78 Fold    
    tomsbabeFold    
    rob2334Call 602501920
    Flop
      K    
    K 
    3
    rob2334Check    
    Twenny_PBet 202701900
    DoublefortCall 202901860
    rob2334Fold    
    Turn
      9   
    Twenny_PBet 403301860
    DoublefortCall 403701820
    River
      7   
    Twenny_PBet 1204901740
    DoublefortCall 1206101700
    Twenny_PShowK    
    K 
    DoublefortMuckA    
    A 
    Twenny_PWinFour Kings610 2350
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited December 2011
    bet more on all streets.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited December 2011
    I make normal cbet on flop so about 130-150.

    On turn if flop called bet again so here bet about 200.

    If called again on turn just bet close to pot on river.

    Here you've bet small to not scare him away but by doing that the pot stays small and what you can win stays small, think how you would you play it if you had say AQ/77 on this flop, you'd make a bet bigger than 20 right so you have to keep the bets the same to not give info away and in this spot a guy with AA probably wouldn't fold to bigger bets so you get paid.  
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited December 2011
    Could you have made more? Definitely. Could you have stacked your opponent? Possibly, depending on whether he's good enough to get away from AA. 

    I hate that uber small bet. It polarises your range - either you've got a monster and you're trying to look weak, or you are actually really weak, so your opponent has just called you down and hoped the latter. However, if you put in a sensible bet on the flop (Half pot or so, look like a standard c-bet?), you'll still get called by someone with a flush draw or pocket pair, maybe even re-raised. 

    I'm sure you wouldn't usually make that 20 bet on the flop and 40 on the turn most of the time, so when you do, it immediately makes your opponent suspicious.
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  • Twenny_PTwenny_P Member Posts: 81
    edited December 2011
    Yeah, new I should of bet bigger, was trying to bluff a weaker hand, and wanting him to make the raises.

    Also didn't want to go too big to just scare him off and that way not build a pot.
    Certainly didn't guess he could have Aces with his flat calls.

    Obviously he didn't read my plan or hear me saying bet big against me!! lol

    Still learning bet sizes in the early stages.

    Cheers all.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited December 2011
    bet flop 180

    turn 450

    shove river

    as played bet close to pot on both turn and river
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  • potattoooopotattoooo Member Posts: 145
    edited December 2011
     wow & u had cheek to say in another thread im talkin garbage! inspirational bet sizing! wp! add an extra zero too your flop bet, bet turn 450ish, put the rest in on the river
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited December 2011
    tatty got it about right ,post flop x each bet by 10 and you about right, i should know i am the master of the under bet!!!
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  • Luke_JonesLuke_Jones Member Posts: 33
    edited December 2011
    What a shame man nice to get but you lost ur man on the flop for me dude. You hit the world and then put a crying call bet out you know he ent got a K right lol you need the guy to have a hand to get paid remember. In these spots i like a big bet on flop then if u get a customer a check on the turn kinda telling him the story i got a monster then ok i was lyin. then let him hang himself
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  • jugglegeekjugglegeek Member Posts: 623
    edited December 2011
    I understand the idea behind betting small on the flop but it is flawed logic. If you bet half the pot then you are saying nothing about your hand. Your opponent will either have something and call the bet or he will have nothing and will likely either fold or try to bluff you off the hand. If you bet small pretty much the same thing will happen, however you will win less when he calls.

    If you are certain that they have nothing and don't want to scare them off then just check. Then have a bet (about half the pot) at the turn if it is checked to you again. This looks action looks like either a king or a nine to your opponent and if they have an over pair then they may think you have a nine and pay you off.

    Think you should be betting your monster hands though. Most times people will just fold anyway.
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  • Twenny_PTwenny_P Member Posts: 81
    edited December 2011

    The other side of the question though is, if I bet big and he reads I have the Kings, he could just fold and I get nothing in the pot!

    Even if he gives me just 1 King, then any bet too large loses him from increasing the pot.

    Is there not a balance between getting something in to build a pot and just scaring them off and they fold so no pot growth to win?

    Surely his betting is too small as well?
    and in theory he's also in position as well, surely the advantage is with his Aces to try bet me off?

    If you had the Aces, what would you do there?

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