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been bugging me

pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
edited December 2011 in The Poker Clinic
this hand was in the the open 2 nights ago, think it was pretty standard but i havnt been playing much tourny poker recently and im not sure it was the right spot. jim had just joined the table 5 mins ago with the chip lead in this and i know hes a good solid player. were down to 70 players from 450ish and the money starts at 50, i think im sat about 30th at this point so comfyish. looks like a steal from him in that postion , ob i dont want to flat as almost all flops dont improve me and will be facing multiple over cards so jam thinking he can only call with 1 of about 4 or 5 hands (which i dont think he has). is this too risky at thispoint of a tourny and should i have put this down? 
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited December 2011
    pod1Small blind 200.00200.0012609.60
    PhilAny2_QBig blind 400.00600.008726.63
     Your hole cards
    • 4
    • 4
    		   
    rorysdadFold    
    leadyFold    
    jimHFXRaise 1600.002200.0038229.83
    pod1All-in 12609.6014809.600.00
    PhilAny2_QFold    
    jimHFXCall 11209.6026019.2027020.23
    pod1Show
    • 4
    • 4
    		   
    jimHFXShow
    • A
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    Flop
      
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    • 9
    		   
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    River
      
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    jimHFXWinPair of Kings26019.20 53039.43
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    fold or a very marginal set mine

    shoving here with your stack w/44 is very aggro )
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited December 2011
    Against this type of player, n 95% of players that play DTD just tighten right up in pots they open, especially when they're making it 4xbb like this.

    They're never light, and theyre never folding.


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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited December 2011
    Yh pretty easy fold, 4x at 200/400, jesus lol.
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited December 2011
    it wasnt dtd in was the open. just felt from that postion it was a steal, played jim a lot of times and as a tkp player i get to know quite a bit about his game. like i say if he doesnt have aa kk qq ak he cant call.

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: been bugging me:
    it wasnt dtd in was the open. just felt from that postion it was a steal, played jim a lot of times and as a tkp player i get to know quite a bit about his game. like i say if he doesnt have aa kk qq ak he cant call.
    Posted by pod1
    I'd wager the standard is the same if not better than the Open lol. 

    Also would you not be shoving AQ/AJ here as well if you can shove 44 ?
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited December 2011
    i think the standard is higher in the open at this stage (hence why i went out lol). dont get your 2nd bit mate, i didnt mention the range i would jam over the top i mentioned the range he had that could call me! :-)
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: been bugging me:
    i think the standard is higher in the open at this stage (hence why i went out lol). dont get your 2nd bit mate, i didnt mention the range i would jam over the top i mentioned the range he had that could call me! :-)
    Posted by pod1
    If oppo has been opening a lot pots and raising every btn then you should have enough FE to shove

    You don't really want a call do you )
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited December 2011
    i thought i had and no i didnt!!!! 
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: been bugging me:
    i thought i had and no i didnt!!!! 
    Posted by pod1
    Maybe just thinking oppo can only call with a small percentage of hands without no other prior knowledge of oppo opening range on the button or otherwise, I think is possibly a mistake.

    You even state oppo is solid, maybe a greater chance oppo opens narrrow and more chance of being called :S

    I know we are not massive deep but do you ever consider 3 bet folding spots like these :s
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited December 2011
    i hadnt considered it tbf. the reason i did it was because he was a good player and was able to put down a mediocre hand. maybe it was a bit risky and too late on to be doing this.
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  • gracie24gracie24 Member Posts: 227
    edited December 2011
    Sometimes if the 500 pound gorilla wants your seat-let him have it!!
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: been bugging me:
    i think the standard is higher in the open at this stage (hence why i went out lol). dont get your 2nd bit mate, i didnt mention the range i would jam over the top i mentioned the range he had that could call me! :-)
    Posted by pod1
    If you can shove with 44 then surely shoving with AQ/J/10 even A9/8 is possible so his call is very good against your RANGE.
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited December 2011
    thats ok if he knows i will do it with 44 in this pos

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited December 2011
    I think you need to see folds 40% of the time here to make it ok versus oppo perceived calling range of JJ+,AKs,AKo

    Think the maths is right anyway :s
    someone confirm ?
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited December 2011
    dont think its standard idcu, im not shoving for him to call
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