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why auto seat discourages players from starting games

LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
edited January 2012 in Poker Chat
auto seat is a feature that, when you open up a cash table your seat is, as the name says automatically picked for you. I think it may also reserve the seat for you when you load up the table so that if the table is 5/6 no one can get the last seat while you are loading up the table, not 100% sure on that though.

when 2 regs try to start a game, it is quite standard practice to sit opposite of each other so that neither of you gains a positional advantage when the game fills up, also since you have two empty seats to both your right and left, you should in theory have a 50/50 chance of haivng posittion on the next person to sit at the table.

generally, atleast at nl300+ tables the 3rd player to sit down will be a recreational player, to which having position on is going to be a great advantage. some/alot of these recreational players have the auto seat feature enabled (maybe it is as defualt?) and the problem is that with this feature the auto seat will ALWAYS (10/10 in my testing) seat them in the top left seat of the table, giving the reg in the top seat a massive advantage over the other reg when the game fills up.

piccy to illustrate. A&B are regs starting games A has massive advantage over B
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/688/autoseat.png/

since most people just bumhunt those stakes within 10mins the game is likely to be full and the reg who was at the bottom centre seat, having given action to help start the table will probably find himself in a -ev  spot. which then leads them to just not starting games anymore. fewer games, less rake sky & players loses out etcetc.

for the tl;dr people
pls remove auto seat or change it so that it is random and not fixed to one seat

Comments

  • barnsiebarnsie Member Posts: 496
    edited January 2012
    ill just pass the begging bowl out for the regs
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited January 2012
    but how much did you lose
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited January 2012



    Like noughts and crosses, where do you put the first X

    Got point though auto seat is not good, should be random or off








  • AcidMan27AcidMan27 Member Posts: 3,752
    edited January 2012
    Would be good if it was random.
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited January 2012
    I thought you was going to say if you have autoseat and shows someone is about to sit, then they stand because they are bumhunting.

    True tho what you have said in theory, i stopped using auto start a while ago:) 
  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited January 2012
    just turn the table anti clockwise 3 notches, problem solved . now newbie in bottom right:-)
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited January 2012
    If you start a table, sit top mid?

    Or do all the other regs avoid this too?
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited January 2012
    if i start a table and sit top centre, then what is the incentive for other regs to join in when they will have a big disadvantage
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: why auto seat discourages players from starting games:
    if i start a table and sit top centre, then what is the incentive for other regs to join in when they will have a big disadvantage
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    I was basically wondering if all/most of the regs knew this, in that case they should deffo make it random.
  • zingzing Member Posts: 333
    edited January 2012
    i've sat bottom mid for a year so you're welcome regs

    as usual i'm last to know these things
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited January 2012

    The only reason you sit top and bottom is so you each have position on 2 new joiners to the table

    Sometimes you will be the one starting a table and sometimes 2nd to join, should even out over the long run

    But yeah random auto seat should be default

    I doubt Sky will condone bum hunting just to please the Regs who seem to fight over bums!

     

    “I want position, no I want position!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    But hey ho

  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited January 2012
    2 bum hunters to one bum sounds painful!!
  • jakallyjakally Member Posts: 421
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: why auto seat discourages players from starting games:
    i've sat bottom mid for a year so you're welcome regs as usual i'm last to know these things
    Posted by zing

    I wasn't really aware of this, but no matter - by the time a 3rd player sits, Lol_Raise has normally got my money anyway!

  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: why auto seat discourages players from starting games:
    2 bum hunters to one bum sounds painful!!
    Posted by pod1
    That's all they talk about up there, bums, bums and more bums.
    Scotty is always talking about bum hunting.

    This is a poker forum, right ?
  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited January 2012
    starting to wonder! they may have 16 tables open, but it does make you wonder what other sites they are watching at the same time!
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: why auto seat discourages players from starting games:
    i've sat bottom mid for a year so you're welcome regs as usual i'm last to know these things
    Posted by zing
    yeah ive been sat bottom middle for ages then something sim said ages to me about seat selection popped back into my mind and i begun to get upset :(
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: why auto seat discourages players from starting games:
    The only reason you sit top and bottom is so you each have position on 2 new joiners to the table Sometimes you will be the one starting a table and sometimes 2 nd to join, should even out over the long run But yeah random auto seat should be default I doubt Sky will condone bum hunting just to please the Regs who seem to fight over bums!   “I want position, no I want position!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” But hey ho
    Posted by rancid
    dont get the 2nd part of your post. this thread is about making starting tables equally opportunity for both players so that people will start more games. by default 2 regs playing HU to start a game is the exact opposite of bumhunting
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