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I shouldn't be calling....right??

SJspanky1SJspanky1 Member Posts: 620
edited January 2012 in The Poker Clinic

How many of you make this call? Was running well so think I got uber optimistic here. He's only ever shoving this many BB with the nut flush draw right? Or is the fold total nitsville? Opinions please...

Note to self.....use a little more of that timer and actually think before you click!!
hurst05 Small blind   £0.20 £0.20 £43.55
ACEGOONER Big blind   £0.40 £0.60 £45.62
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • K
     
tatohead Call   £0.40 £1.00 £42.20
SJspanky1 Raise   £1.60 £2.60 £61.41
TurboSmurf Fold        
nicol1 Call   £1.60 £4.20 £24.00
hurst05 Fold        
ACEGOONER Fold        
tatohead Call   £1.20 £5.40 £41.00
Flop
   
  • J
  • 4
  • A
     
tatohead Check        
SJspanky1 Bet   £4.05 £9.45 £57.36
nicol1 Call   £4.05 £13.50 £19.95
tatohead All-in   £41.00 £54.50 £0.00
SJspanky1 Call   £36.95 £91.45 £20.41
nicol1 All-in   £19.95 £111.40 £0.00
tatohead Show
  • 5
  • A
     
SJspanky1 Show
  • 10
  • K
     
nicol1 Show
  • A
  • 5
     
Turn
   
  • 5
     
River
   
  • 2
     
tatohead Win Flush to the Ace £109.60   £109.60
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2012
    fold

    check flop
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  • elldixon18elldixon18 Member Posts: 64
    edited January 2012
    defo shouldn't be calling!
    great spot to fold and get some notes on the oppo's shove as it's likely that nicol1 is gonna make the call anyway.
    looks like a case of positive tilt!
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  • SJspanky1SJspanky1 Member Posts: 620
    edited January 2012
    Positive tilt!! A generous and kind way to put it. The third guy was a station so I guessed I was gonna be getting 2/1 on the call. That said I'm still not quite priced in. Was a rash play. Thanks for feedback.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited January 2012
    If I ran like you I'd snap this off within 0.1456 seconds ;)

    Nah this is prob the worst hand mr.potato head shows up with, he has pocket 4's & A4s (black green & red) loads too, he never has stuff like worse draws where you could be ahead or have pair outs.
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited January 2012
    I'm probably not good enough to fold here in this spot, but I think it is a fold. Why is your opponent shoving?

    1) Because he's got a big draw and wants to see all 5 cards (Likely nut flush draw + Top pair in this case, he wouldn't do that with just the queen high flush draw)
    2) Because he's got a made hand and wants to protect his hand by giving anyone with a draw the wrong price to call

    If you're against a nut flush draw, your pair outs are gone, you're basically drawing to the gutshot, but not the queen of diamonds, and the other card can't be a diamond either. Either that, or running two pair. If my maths is correct you've got about 6-7% chance of winning the hand if you're against Ad xd here, so 2/1 is definitely not the right price to call.

    If he's got a made hand, you have 11 outs, although once you take into account any redraws if he's got a set or two pair here (especially if he holds the ace of diamonds), then 2/1 is marginal. When there's 2 opponents, I think you have to assume one of them has the nut flush draw most of the time here, so you will lose a lot of money over time with that call.
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