correct or too strong

3barrels

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tillytrot	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£15.46
3barrels	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£7.90
	Your hole cards	A K
bluedo01	Fold
danchuchu	Raise		£0.20	£0.35	£6.21
artjomf4	Fold
N1VEK	Call		£0.20	£0.55	£27.32
tillytrot	Fold
3barrels	Raise		£0.60	£1.15	£7.30
danchuchu	Call		£0.50	£1.65	£5.71
N1VEK	Call		£0.50	£2.15	£26.82
Flop
		A 7 7
3barrels	Bet		£1.61	£3.76	£5.69
danchuchu	Fold
N1VEK	Call		£1.61	£5.37	£25.21
Turn
		J
3barrels	Bet		£5.37	£10.74	£0.32
N1VEK	Fold
3barrels	Muck
3barrels	Win		£4.96		£5.28
3barrels	Return		£5.37	£0.41	£10.65

DrSharp

Dunno if i am correct here but although aggression is very good, such a big turn bet is scaring weaker hands away.

With your stack, i would bet just over half pot on the turn and put the rest in on the river. Dont hate it though.

AMYBR

true meester sharp, but am going to be scratching my heard a little when I'm holding A9/10 here :P

3barrels

points taken i had him on flush draw and if he is chaseing make sure he pays to see it

DrSharp

In Response to Re: correct or too strong:

true meester sharp, but am going to be scratching my heard a little when I'm holding A9/10 here :P
Posted by AMYBR

Yep, its awkard with A,10 or A,9! With 3barrels stack i think you have to have a plan with A,10 or A,9 pre flop. Are you willing to push it all the way on a A high flop? I think this may have to be planned pre flop before raising. Whaddya think?

DrSharp

In Response to Re: correct or too strong:

points taken i had him on flush draw and if he is chaseing make sure he pays to see it
Posted by 3barrels

Totally understand that, but he is going to hit his flush 1 in 5 with one card to come and if you bet half pot he still only gettin 3 to 1 on his money making it mathematically incorrect to call on his part! I think your getting to the point on the turn where good players will only call with a 7 or A,J (better hands) and hands like A,10 and A,9 fold. Half pot looks weak and may keep these hands in. If the call on the turn for £2.50 then they will call the river for £2.50 and you get the lot.

Like i say, thats just me, and i aint no expert!

AMYBR

I think after we have been called on flop sharpy am happier to check turn in most cases.  Control pot size, vb non D rivers or maybe even turning hand into bluff catcher on river.

If we lead turn and are raised our "plan" is going to be fold.  Only real reason to bet turn is to protect vs d's.

3barrels

In Response to Re: correct or too strong:

In Response to Re: correct or too strong : Totally understand that, but he is going to hit his flush 1 in 5 with one card to come and if you bet half pot he still only gettin 3 to 1 on his money making it mathematically incorrect to call on his part! I think your getting to the point on the turn where good players will only call with a 7 or A,J (better hands) and hands like A,10 and A,9 fold. Half pot looks weak and may keep these hands in. If the call on the turn for £2.50 then they will call the river for £2.50 and you get the lot. Like i say, thats just me, and i aint no expert!
Posted by DrSharp

thats very true sharp its a part of the game i need to work on bet sizeing

Dudeskin8

I can't see much wrong, you have a pot sized bet left behind if anything betting half your stack looks WAY stronger whilst shoving looks weaker, FWIW I DEFO don't bet leaving 32p behind that's just weird.

Also he's called a strong flop bet and that turn doesn't change much, would love to know what he's folding after calling flop lol.

DrSharp

In Response to Re: correct or too strong:

I think after we have been called on flop sharpy am happier to check turn in most cases.  Control pot size, vb non D rivers or maybe even turning hand into bluff catcher on river. If we lead turn and are raised our "plan" is going to be fold.  Only real reason to bet turn is to protect vs d's.
Posted by AMYBR

Yeah, i understand. I like to check to induce a float, but on a flushing board, at this level, with tptk, with heroes stack i am happy to try and extract maximum. I dont hate the play, in fact, i quite liked it but i think on a paired board a full pot bet on the turn folds alot of the hands we beat. I want these hands to come along for the ride. I like the check to induce worse hands to bet or even a bluff, but giving a free card to these draws is amistake in my opinion,  but i think we get so much value from drawing hands at this level that its worth tempting the draws and worse hands to come along at the wrong odds. Like i say, i am no expert and i seem to specialise in getting outdrawn lol, so i am open to critism.

JackoG9

In Response to Re: correct or too strong:

In Response to Re: correct or too strong : Totally understand that, but he is going to hit his flush 1 in 5 with one card to come and if you bet half pot he still only gettin 3 to 1 on his money making it mathematically incorrect to call on his part!

But if you have reads and know someone is willing to pay more to then it is profitable to bet to bet more - especially at these levels, where very few players will look at whether they've got the odds to chase a flush. So I like to pot sized bet.

As for prelfop, I'd 3-bet a bit more after a raise and a call - maybe a quid.

rancid

shove turn or bet £2.70 or something

S

Poker_Fail

With your stack i'd just over half pot the turn, get the rest in on the river.

Lots of players at that level do not think of the streets ahead, so if they had A10 would probably fold to a shove but call a half pot turn bet because they think it's cheap, then cos of the pot-size they have to call the river as well.

percival09

i'd raise bigger pre and shove turn