is this a good all in

rob12345

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceshorrock09Small blind 400.00400.007855.00teddy707Big blind 800.001200.006910.00 Your hole cardsQ10   p1ssArtistFold    rob12345All-in 6900.008100.000.00

rob12345

it is satellite 10 players left top 5 get a seat av stack is 7500

Dudeskin8

I'd fold pre, still have 5700 once blinds pass.

AMYBR

I'm always shipping here.

Poker_Fail

I'd shove

rancid

fold

rob12345

2 for fold 2 for shove its close spot

Talon

 It is a nice simple scenario at these blind levels and your stack. It is either shove or fold.

  Fold is a very good option, as is the shove. My only issue with the shove is the calling range for the oppos. Any hand that could call you either has you crushed or flipping at best.So if you are shoving in this spot you are really only looking to blind steal.For me it is a fold but see no problem with the shove.

rob12345

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

 It is a nice simple scenario at these blind levels and your stack. It is either shove or fold.   Fold is a very good option, as is the shove. My only issue with the shove is the calling range for the oppos. Any hand that could call you either has you crushed or flipping at best.So if you are shoving in this spot you are really only looking to blind steal.For me it is a fold but see no problem with the shove.
Posted by Talon

 yea it is deffo a blind steal

rancid

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

 It is a nice simple scenario at these blind levels and your stack. It is either shove or fold.   Fold is a very good option, as is the shove. My only issue with the shove is the calling range for the oppos. Any hand that could call you either has you crushed or flipping at best.So if you are shoving in this spot you are really only looking to blind steal.For me it is a fold but see no problem with the shove.
Posted by Talon

+1

Depends on oppo calling ranges, if there tight calling (8%) then the shove is never bad

Also depends what other stack sizes are for the 10 players remaining

rancid

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

In Response to Re: is this a good all in :  yea it is deffo a blind steal
Posted by rob12345

 

Well have you seen the oppo’s call light K10+, if so may consider some foldage

 

Tighter the calling range the greater chance of stealing blinds

 

Also there are only four of you and six on the other table S

Swog

i'd rather shove 34 than Q10, but if its for blind stealing purposes with extremely tight or loose blinds, then maybe its not to bad.

neil1970

Personally i would rather be shoving here with 5 6 suited the range of calling hands at this level so many times will have you crushed i would be folding here..


n Response to is this a good all in:

Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance shorrock09 Small blind   400.00 400.00 7855.00 teddy707 Big blind   800.00 1200.00 6910.00   Your hole cards Q 10       p1ssArtist Fold         rob12345 All-in   6900.00 8100.00 0.00
Posted by rob12345

Unknown

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

i'd rather shove 34 than Q10, but if its for blind stealing purposes with extremely tight or loose blinds, then maybe its not to bad.
Posted by Swog

Why on earth would you prefer to shove 34 instead of QT? Shove QT, get called by 55+, A8s+ KTs+ ATo+;

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   2,630,098,944  games     0.000 secs   526,019,788,800  games/sec

Board: 

Dead:  

equity win tie      pots won pots tied

Hand 0: 33.954%   33.53% 00.42%     881846232 11176764.00   { QTo }

Hand 1: 66.046%   65.62% 00.42%    1725899184 11176764.00   { 55+, A8s+, KTs+, ATo+ }

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Shove 34 and get called by same range;

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   3,945,148,416  games     0.001 secs     3,945,148,416,000  games/sec

Board: 

Dead:  

equity win tie      pots won pots tied

Hand 0: 27.774%   27.40% 00.38%    1080782896 14945880.00   { 43s, 43o }

Hand 1: 72.226%   71.85% 00.38%    2834473760 14945880.00   { 55+, A8s+, KTs+, ATo+ }

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Clearly better to shove QTo than 34.

This is a shove to me in game

Unknown

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

 It is a nice simple scenario at these blind levels and your stack. It is either shove or fold.   Fold is a very good option, as is the shove. My only issue with the shove is the calling range for the oppos. Any hand that could call you either has you crushed or flipping at best.So if you are shoving in this spot you are really only looking to blind steal.For me it is a fold but see no problem with the shove.
Posted by Talon

Your posts always puzzle me. Hero isn't shoving QTo with some vague hope of getting called by worse, so it's obviously a blind steal. See my post above with villains calling ranges, after that you just have to decide how tight the blinds are so that you get your shove through often enough. If villains are snapping you off with Kx sort of hands then yeah, I find a fold, but if they only seem to turn up with premium hands when they call, Im shoving all day long and hoping they havent got one this time. 

There is obviously some maths behind shoving with greater fold equity vs tight players but much lower equity when called by them, to shoving with lower fold equity vs players who call and you have better equity vs their range. 

rob12345

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

In Response to Re: is this a good all in :   Well have you seen the oppo’s call light K10+, if so may consider some foldage   Tighter the calling range the greater chance of stealing blinds   Also there are only four of you and six on the other table S
Posted by rancid

i would say they where all playing very tight for how many blinds they where playing

AMYBR

I agree it is a blatant blind steal, we do not want to be called.  But thats all we want with a stack of 69oo with 1200 in there.  With the potential fringe benefit of doubling through if called and flipping. 

Ultimately we are going to have to ship in the next 8 hands at best in any case.  Unopened pot, LP, shovable stack, happy days outcome regardless.  I'd likely be shipping any 2.

Unknown

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

I agree it is a blatant blind steal, we do not want to be called.  But thats all we want with a stack of 69oo with 1200 in there.  With the potential fringe benefit of doubling through if called and flipping.  Ultimately we are going to have to ship in the next 8 hands at best in any case.  Unopened pot, LP, shovable stack, happy days outcome regardless.  I'd likely be shipping any 2.
Posted by AMYBR

Any two is better than shoving 34;

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

 201,366,950,400  games     0.045 secs     4,474,821,120,000  games/sec

Board: 

Dead:  

equity win tie      pots won pots tied

Hand 0: 30.319%   29.65% 00.67%   59709380556 1343604624.00   { random }

Hand 1: 69.681%   69.01% 00.67%  138970360596 1343604624.00   { 55+, A8s+, KTs+ }

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Honestly. 34. What are you thinking.

rob12345

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

I agree it is a blatant blind steal, we do not want to be called.  But thats all we want with a stack of 69oo with 1200 in there.  With the potential fringe benefit of doubling through if called and flipping.  Ultimately we are going to have to ship in the next 8 hands at best in any case.  Unopened pot, LP, shovable stack, happy days outcome regardless.  I'd likely be shipping any 2.
Posted by AMYBR

that what i fort u cant sit and wait for the nuts to shove have to make moves and everyone is going to play tight around the bubble

rancid

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

In Response to Re: is this a good all in : Your posts always puzzle me. Hero isn't shoving QTo with some vague hope of getting called by worse, so it's obviously a blind steal. See my post above with villains calling ranges, after that you just have to decide how tight the blinds are so that you get your shove through often enough. If villains are snapping you off with Kx sort of hands then yeah, I find a fold, but if they only seem to turn up with premium hands when they call, Im shoving all day long and hoping they havent got one this time.  There is obviously some maths behind shoving with greater fold equity vs tight players but much lower equity when called by them, to shoving with lower fold equity vs players who call and you have better equity vs their range. 
Posted by CoxyLboro

Well put -_-

AMYBR

In Response to Re: is this a good all in:

In Response to Re: is this a good all in : Any two is better than shoving 34; Text results appended to pokerstove.txt  201,366,950,400  games     0.045 secs     4,474,821,120,000  games/sec Board:  Dead:   equity win tie      pots won pots tied Hand 0: 30.319%   29.65% 00.67%   59709380556 1343604624.00   { random } Hand 1: 69.681%   69.01% 00.67%  138970360596 1343604624.00   { 55+, A8s+, KTs+ } --- Honestly. 34. What are you thinking.
Posted by CoxyLboro

Pleaee direct me to any part of this thread where i mention 34, shipping or otherwise..............