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A Live Ruling

EyemanEyeman Member Posts: 1,039
edited February 2012 in Poker Chat
This is a hypothetical situation, but it must have occurred from time to time in live play...I'm wondering what happens.
We have a scenario where you have been playing a few hours, and the smallest value chips are about to be run off at the next break (let's assume it's the 25s). Last hand before the break, 2 players go all in, and the smaller stack doubles up leaving the bigger stack on (let's say) 75 chips.
What happens when the 25s are run off? It is conceivable that this player returns from the break to find himself (or herself) eliminated without losing a hand when all in committed. What's the rule?

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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited January 2012
    should be rounded up to the next denomination, so he should come back to 100 chips
  • edited January 2012
    Player would never be eliminated, rounding up to 100 would be expected as standard
  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited January 2012
    Only played live a few times.  when they took off the 25's, if 2 players had 1 each then it was high card wins 50.  However the same place (only casino on Wirral) had a mad rule of sit out 3 hands and your out, was a bit LOL.
  • rosjim1rosjim1 Member Posts: 446
    edited January 2012
    happened in leeds just b4 christmas dont know what happened though as the player stormed out fuming that his poket 4s were beaten by aces wouldnt of been that bad but he was trying to steal the blinds b4 the break lesson from this is dont tangle with the chip daddy when you are 3rd or 4th in the tournament with 13 players left 11 get paid. only thing that could of made this better was if he has 2, 3 off and he binked
    p.s g are you gunna toddle down to luton ill have 10% of ya
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited January 2012
    Always rounded up
  • smarrsmarr Member Posts: 461
    edited January 2012
    any live game ive played in when they took the 25s out of the game if u only had 1 u got 50. Suited me well when i got 100 changed for 1000 lol
  • penguin7penguin7 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: A Live Ruling:
    any live game ive played in when they took the 25s out of the game if u only had 1 u got 50. Suited me well when i got 100 changed for 1000 lol
    Posted by smarr
    Not in casinos, where they generally do not have 50 denomination chips , only 25s and 100s. So they have to give you 100 to remove the 25s from the game.

    Most tournaments have antes, and the 25s are normally taken out at a break when the antes are about to go up to 100 (or 200 if there is a 150 ante level)

    Either way you are still going to be automatically all in first hand when you sit back down.

    Would you bother ?
  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: A Live Ruling:
    In Response to Re: A Live Ruling : Not in casinos, where they generally do not have 50 denomination chips , only 25s and 100s. So they have to give you 100 to remove the 25s from the game. Most tournaments have antes, and the 25s are normally taken out at a break when the antes are about to go up to 100 (or 200 if there is a 150 ante level) Either way you are still going to be automatically all in first hand when you sit back down. Would you bother ?
    Posted by penguin7

    Chip and a chair, Tony,  Chip and a chair ;o)

  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited January 2012
    you cant be chip raced out of a tournament in my experiance. usually its a high card thing but i believe if its all your chips then youd automatically win the first race for the next 25. So you'd sit down withg 100 chips when you get back.

    As penguin says usually theres antes so this would be unlikley that youd get more than one hand anyways, however in one eent i know antes dont come in till late in the tournament well after the 25's are raced off.
  • GliterBabeGliterBabe Member Posts: 361
    edited January 2012
    For all odd chips that forsay cannot be rounded upto to 100 ( IE the next highest chip ), then all players will receive a card for each 25 chip they have, so in this case the player will receive 3....If the total of the odd 25's between all the players for example = 325 then there will be 4x100 chip as prizes...... These will then be rewarded to the players with the highest card.... "Note" When in a chip race you can only win 1 prize, so best case scenario is the player will return with a 100 chip, worst case he is eliminated ..... Makes sense I hope...
  • penguin7penguin7 Member Posts: 1,095
    edited January 2012
    71.
    Chip race rule: Race-off is defined as removal of a denomination chip no longer in use. When it is time to color-up chips, they will be raced off with a maximum of one chip going to any player. The chip race will always start at the first player left of the dealer. A player cannot be raced out of a Tournament. In the event that a player has only one chip remaining, the regular race procedure will take place. If that player loses the race, he or she will be given one chip of the smallest denomination still in play. Players found to have lower denomination chips remaining in their stack after the race-off will forfeit those chips unless they are equivalent in value to a chip still in play. Players are encouraged to witness the chip race.

    I was intrigued enough to look this situation up on a couple of websites. This is from the WSOP rules, and seems the most common interpretation.

    And of course I kept on reading...............Did you know that if  four or more players turn up to play the final table wearing clothing bearing the same sponsors logo, they have to cut cards to decide who has to go and change ? ?

    Does reading this mean I am becoming a poker geek ?

  • GliterBabeGliterBabe Member Posts: 361
    edited January 2012
    Learn something new every day cheers for that.. Really would hate to come back after the break knowing I had 1 chip left....
  • MachkaMachka Member Posts: 4,627
    edited January 2012
    Alternative interpretation from the Roberts Rules of Poker:

    11. The lowest denomination of chip in play will be removed from the table when it is no longer needed in the blind or ante structure. All lower-denomination chips that are of sufficient quantity for a new chip will be changed up directly. The method for removal of odd chips is to deal one card to a player for each odd chip possessed. Cards are dealt clockwise starting with the 1-seat, with each player receiving all cards before any cards are dealt to the next player. A player may not be eliminated from the event by the chip-change process. If a player has no chips after the race has been held, he will be given a chip of the higher denomination before anyone else is awarded a chip. Next, the player with the highest card by suit gets enough odd chips to exchange for one new chip, the second-highest card gets to exchange for the next chip, and so forth, until all the lower-denomination chips are exchanged. If an odd number of lower-denomination chips are left after this process, the player with the highest card remaining will receive a new chip if he has half or more of the quantity of lower-denomination chips needed, otherwise nothing.
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