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Sharkscope?????

BCFC_CHUBCFC_CHU Member Posts: 68
edited February 2012 in Poker Chat
Hi all, some advice on how accurate sharkscope is would be very much appreciated. I have just scoped myself and it shows that im - $1030 in total, now i know this is not true as im about £200 in profit. I understand that cash results aren't included, but as i only play these occassionally, that shouldn't be making much difference in all.

Any clarification would be grateful, as this is mind boggling. lol cheers Matt
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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited January 2012
    It's pretty accurate, it only includes MTT and STT results, so no cash games.

    Only discrepencies tend to be over sattelites as until recently these would show as a loss regardless of whether you won a seat or not.
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  • BCFC_CHUBCFC_CHU Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Sharkscope?????:
    It's pretty accurate, it only includes MTT and STT results, so no cash games. Only discrepencies tend to be over sattelites as until recently these would show as a loss regardless of whether you won a seat or not.
    Posted by Slykllist
    Cheers for the reply Slykllist. Thanks for the info on the sats i wasnt aware of that.

    Would that be partly the reason it shows me in -ve figures?

    Like i said i think im in profit as on my account it shows as net deposits being £0 and i have recently withdrawn. So surely therefore if i have deposited £0 total and have withdrawn money and still have money in my account im in profit. Right?????

    Once again thanks for the reply. Matt
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited January 2012
    Depending on how much you play the monthly C4P could affect it quite a bit
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited January 2012
    If you win Roller seats in the League Stars Freeroll (or win any other sort of seat in forum competitions etc.) that affects it too, Sharkscope assumes you bought in for the full price.
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  • BCFC_CHUBCFC_CHU Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2012
    Cheers for the reply poker fail and gary. much appreciated. So imo if the sats and tourneys are/ or were assumed as full priced buy ins, some of the data is very misleading.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited January 2012
    Having looked @ ur stats I'm surprised to see you are a losing sng player, but you're showing a profit @ mtt's....

    Played u @ HU sngs a few times n wud xpect you to be showing a profit....

    The mtt stats on skope can be misleading but sng r normally very accurate. 
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited January 2012
    Sats work properly now, but it was only fixed a few weeks ago. For years it assumed you paid the full buy-in for everything you played.
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  • BCFC_CHUBCFC_CHU Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Sharkscope?????:
    Having looked @ ur stats I'm surprised to see you are a losing sng player, but you're showing a profit @ mtt's.... Played u @ HU sngs a few times n wud xpect you to be showing a profit.... The mtt stats on skope can be misleading but sng r normally very accurate. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Alright DOHHHHHHH. i think its all the russian roulettes i play. im a proper sucker for them. lol. used to play a lot of sngs to grind c4p and league points but after a few weeks break decided to focus more on my game, rather than chase c4p. This helped enormously, and especially in mtts results improved greatly., as i

    Also, rather than just playing for fun, i would like to take poker a bit more seriously, do u think its worth purchasing sharkscope, as at the moment i only use the free 5 searches.

    cheers for the response Matt
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  • BCFC_CHUBCFC_CHU Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Sharkscope?????:
    Sats work properly now, but it was only fixed a few weeks ago. For years it assumed you paid the full buy-in for everything you played.
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    Cheers gary. At least they have rectified that now, as that will defo help for more accurate data.
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  • EyemanEyeman Member Posts: 1,039
    edited January 2012
    Speaking personally, it's quite inaccurate. I think this is down to Sky in the early days. At one point I know I was approximately £2,000 ahead on Sky, yet Sharkscope had me -$750 (initially sharkscope did not recognise Sky worked in pounds, either, so every quid won or lost was registered as a dollar). On my Sky account it seemed to register every deposit I made, but not every withdrawal - this was 4 years ago, and that seems to have been ironed out.
    Another major flaw is that if you pay a tenner to satellite into the Sunday roller, then don't cash. Sharkscope will register a £220 loss, not a £10 loss. So players who regularly sat into events will generally have a worse than actual record.
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  • BCFC_CHUBCFC_CHU Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Sharkscope?????:
    Speaking personally, it's quite inaccurate. I think this is down to Sky in the early days. At one point I know I was approximately £2,000 ahead on Sky, yet Sharkscope had me -$750 (initially sharkscope did not recognise Sky worked in pounds, either, so every quid won or lost was registered as a dollar). On my Sky account it seemed to register every deposit I made, but not every withdrawal - this was 4 years ago, and that seems to have been ironed out. Another major flaw is that if you pay a tenner to satellite into the Sunday roller, then don't cash. Sharkscope will register a £220 loss, not a £10 loss. So players who regularly sat into events will generally have a worse than actual record.
    Posted by Eyeman
    Cheers Eyeman. I think that might be part of why it shows me -ve. As mentioned in a post above it looks like thats sorted now. Well hopefully.

    Cheers for the response Matt
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  • bigflop1bigflop1 Member Posts: 1,034
    edited January 2012
    i was working on my mtt graph.. managed to get it above ev then i won a comp for a free roller seat and all of a sudden i was - 100 again arghh
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  • OopnorthOopnorth Member Posts: 157
    edited January 2012
    Its the same with rebuys too. If you play a rebuy tournament and purchase the add ons. Sharkscope registers your initial buy in and the average of all the add ons and rebuys combined so if you play them and dont rebuy because you run well or are too tight or you are chipped up and dont add on,  this will also affect you.
    Because many rebuys I have played theres usually one donk whos going all in with any two and failing, so they may rebuy 10 times, this increasing your own average rebuy despite you not purchasing any.
    Hope that makes some sense.....
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  • tierceltiercel Member Posts: 325
    edited January 2012
    I've just looked myself up on sharkscope and it says I am down by more than I have paid into Sky since I started  overall and that was right from Sky opening. On the basis of money paid into and out of my account I am down about a third of what sharkscope says but in the last three years I am up, year on year, the losses relating to the early years. So I don't know how these figures are worked out.
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  • BCFC_CHUBCFC_CHU Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2012
    cheers for all the post guys. After reading everyones comments it becomes apparent that its not as accurate as people would like. That being said, it appears that they are trying to rectify many of the factors that make for inaccurate reading (sats, re-buys, ect). I for one was baffled by my own scope as stated in op, but after everyones comments it is far easier to understand how the figure comes about.

    I think i will stick to making notes on opponents, instead of purchasing sharkscope, that way i will determine the info and i am the only i can blame for inaccurate reads. lol.

    Once again cheers for all the posts and gl at the tables :) Matt
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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Sharkscope?????:
    In Response to Re: Sharkscope????? : Alright DOHHHHHHH. i think its all the russian roulettes i play. im a proper sucker for them. lol. used to play a lot of sngs to grind c4p and league points but after a few weeks break decided to focus more on my game, rather than chase c4p. This helped enormously, and especially in mtts results improved greatly., as i Also, rather than just playing for fun, i would like to take poker a bit more seriously, do u think its worth purchasing sharkscope, as at the moment i only use the free 5 searches. cheers for the response Matt
    Posted by BCFC_CHU
    Purchasing is something I'm considering too, most of the advice I've had suggests it's a good tool but would be interested in other peoples thoughts.
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  • BCFC_CHUBCFC_CHU Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Sharkscope?????:
    In Response to Re: Sharkscope????? : Purchasing is something I'm considering too, most of the advice I've had suggests it's a good tool but would be interested in other peoples thoughts.
    Posted by Slykllist
    Im undecided m8, the reason im considering purchasing it, is due to the greater search options you can explore
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited January 2012
    fwiw my sharkscope is nowhere near accurate at all overall but the sng stats are pretty much spot on.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited January 2012
    Hey Matt, I pay $9.99 for 200 searches on skope. I'm not sure what the alternative deals are but the 200 normally last me about 2 months. You still get the 5 free searches a day on top of this, & it allows you full access to all the stats same as a monthly subscription.

    I play only HU sngs, maybe if you play dyms you use more searches (play against more players) but the 1 off payment is definitely best for me & well worth it for a tenner (less than a buy in)
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  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,308
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Sharkscope?????:
    Hey Matt, I pay $9.99 for 200 searches on skope. I'm not sure what the alternative deals are but the 200 normally last me about 2 months. You still get the 5 free searches a day on top of this, & it allows you full access to all the stats same as a monthly subscription. I play only HU sngs, maybe if you play dyms you use more searches (play against more players) but the 1 off payment is definitely best for me & well worth it for a tenner (less than a buy in)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Wish i had done that last month . I paid $29 for a month of searches (up to 500 a day ) and used it twice

    You also get the HUD which can be used on some other sites though
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