Got to be honest, once I have decided I am comfortable, in fact wanting, to get my stack in here I likely click it back, with the expectation that someone reshoves. Getting anyone that stations the click back utterly stuck. Normally I'd never do this, but this is an interesting spot in terms of equity/eventual pot size/stage of tourney.
Personally I hate flatting flop, leaves us in a world of hurt and doubt at turn + also lets people get away easier.
Only reason I can think that I would ever show any caution or hesitation is if I was massively under rolled.
Emmm if we figure were behind to a set and other hands are Qx hands or draws then if we are getting the right direct odds + implied then a call is fine
Checking flop imo has merits for c/r or c/c
Essentially I don’t think we need to lead with TPTK + FD
But on the occasion we do lead then we neverfold, so it’s flat or shove
Shoving with no FE is never good with this much equity, while calling seems like the better option
Also I don’t think we can consider the stack to pot ratio + odds as we can only be certain of one caller after we shove - not like we are calling and can consider our stack to pot and our equity in winning the hand
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Personally I hate flatting flop, leaves us in a world of hurt and doubt at turn + also lets people get away easier.
Only reason I can think that I would ever show any caution or hesitation is if I was massively under rolled.
Emmm if we figure were behind to a set and other hands are Qx hands or draws then if we are getting the right direct odds + implied then a call is fine
Checking flop imo has merits for c/r or c/c
Essentially I don’t think we need to lead with TPTK + FD
But on the occasion we do lead then we never fold, so it’s flat or shove
Shoving with no FE is never good with this much equity, while calling seems like the better option
Also I don’t think we can consider the stack to pot ratio + odds as we can only be certain of one caller after we shove - not like we are calling and can consider our stack to pot and our equity in winning the hand