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5/10nl cash is this overkill

spornybolspornybol Member Posts: 8,212
edited January 2012 in The Poker Clinic
these two players have been very loose and aggro, player (A) norm shoving any two and been lucky hitting and player (B) even though been on table for 5 mins been re-raising.

so my question is was i right in my betting or just flatting ??

EDIT; I DON`T NORM PLAY CASH
 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £6.00
spornybol Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £10.12
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
   
slidein09 Fold     
A Raise  £0.50 £0.65 £5.12
B Raise  £1.40 £2.05 £8.50
CLAREYS Fold     
spornybol Raise  £4.00 £6.05 £6.12
      
      
      
      
      
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited January 2012
    I'd prob flat and hope A shoves

    If you raise either just shove yourself or minraise it
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited January 2012
    I dont mind a flat, although i probably raise to around £3.20 mostly at NL10. Plenty of action to be had by worse hands at this level by plenty of players. 

    Dont mind anything about the way you played it to be fair with that action.
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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27 Member Posts: 3,752
    edited January 2012
    Playing against the type of players you've described I do what ever I feel like at the time.

    Either a smaller 3bet knowing they will shove most of the time. Shove knowing they will call most of the time or a flat call knowing they will shove most of the time.

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  • sonnyjimmysonnyjimmy Member Posts: 144
    edited January 2012

    I think you where right to 3-bet, like a shove here aswell depending on stacks, in cash sitting with QQ to AA your looking to get it in pre imo.
    Flatting your still strong but putting your KK at risk by taking a flop 3-ways and your out of position.

    How did the hand pan out???

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2012
    flat

    check it over post
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  • spornybolspornybol Member Posts: 8,212
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill:
    I think you where right to 3-bet, like a shove here aswell depending on stacks, in cash sitting with QQ to AA your looking to get it in pre imo. Flatting your still strong but putting your KK at risk by taking a flop 3-ways and your out of position. How did the hand pan out???
    Posted by sonnyjimmy
    THEY FOLDED, AND TO BE HONEST I WAS HAPPY TO TAKE IT THERE AND THEN, RATHER THAN BEING DONE BY SAY 4 9 OFF, AS THEY WERE BOTH AGGRO.

    EDIT, STILL HAVE A NAGGING FEELING I SHOULD HAVE PLAYED DIFFERANT BUT HAY-HO IT`S DONE NOW SO ONTO NEXT GAME, ALTHOUGH IF ANY OTHER POST WRITEN WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TO IMPROVE MY OWN GAME
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill:
    I dont mind a flat, although i probably raise to around £3.20 mostly at NL10. Plenty of action to be had by worse hands at this level by plenty of players.  Dont mind anything about the way you played it to be fair with that action.
    Posted by DrSharp
    This!
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill:
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill : THEY FOLDED, AND TO BE HONEST I WAS HAPPY TO TAKE IT THERE AND THEN, RATHER THAN BEING DONE BY SAY 4 9 OFF, AS THEY WERE BOTH AGGRO. EDIT, STILL HAVE A NAGGING FEELING I SHOULD HAVE PLAYED DIFFERANT BUT HAY-HO IT`S DONE NOW SO ONTO NEXT GAME, ALTHOUGH IF ANY OTHER POST WRITEN WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TO IMPROVE MY OWN GAME
    Posted by spornybol
    Why on earth would you want loose aggros to fold pre when you hold KK, if you ain't willing to risk a buy in against this type of player with monsters you should prob give up cash poker.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2012

    The reason to 4 bet KK is not because we are scared of bad beats.

    You should 4 bet if 3 bet is TAG

     

    You don’t have to 4 bet KK

     

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  • spornybolspornybol Member Posts: 8,212
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill:
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill : Why on earth would you want loose aggros to fold pre when you hold KK, if you ain't willing to risk a buy in against this type of player with monsters you should prob give up cash poker.
    Posted by NColley
    AS STATED IN O/P DON`T NORM PLAY CASH, WHICH IS WHY POSTED FOR ADVICE TO IMPROVE
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill:
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill : THEY FOLDED, AND TO BE HONEST I WAS HAPPY TO TAKE IT THERE AND THEN, RATHER THAN BEING DONE BY SAY 4 9 OFF, AS THEY WERE BOTH AGGRO. EDIT, STILL HAVE A NAGGING FEELING I SHOULD HAVE PLAYED DIFFERANT BUT HAY-HO IT`S DONE NOW SO ONTO NEXT GAME, ALTHOUGH IF ANY OTHER POST WRITEN WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TO IMPROVE MY OWN GAME
    Posted by spornybol
    This is a bit of a worrying statement if you are going to play cash more regularly sporny. You have KK in the hole and your happy to take it there and then, you should be wanting as much action as possible. The line you took in this hand is absolutely fine, especially against aggro players as you mentioned. I only 4-bet slightly less because i want them to come along. Calling is fine too, to trap and keep them in the hand, let them hit a queen on the flop and take monies that way.
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  • spornybolspornybol Member Posts: 8,212
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill:
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill : This is a bit of a worrying statement if you are going to play cash more regularly sporny. You have KK in the hole and your happy to take it there and then, you should be wanting as much action as possible. The line you took in this hand is absolutely fine, especially against aggro players as you mentioned. I only 4-bet slightly less because i want them to come along. Calling is fine too, to trap and keep them in the hand, let them hit a queen on the flop and take monies that way.
    Posted by DrSharp
    THIS IS WHY POSTING, SO CAN GET ADVICE AND HELP, I`M MORE MTT THAN CASH
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill:
    In Response to Re: 5/10nl cash is this overkill : THIS IS WHY POSTING, SO CAN GET ADVICE AND HELP, I`M MORE MTT THAN CASH
    Posted by spornybol
    4 bet tight players who 3 bet
    flat versus aggro
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