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Odd Levelling spot w JJ 140bbs approaching FT of 8k guarentee. Not sure on this, feels like too much
AMYBR
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Kind of put myself in a weird spot in this hand. There were quite a few elements so will lay it out as best I can. Does seem mostly un-neccessary to me after the fact, but line check would be interesting 
Last 22 of 8k guarentee. Place money is juicy but had been sat deep from out of the gates and was looking to win this one or be top 3 at least. Table has been really tight, been picking up alot of pots in LP w/out showdown.
I have around 280k @ 1k/2k. Most anyone on table has is 160kish. Pretty active player who I have notes on has arrived with 210k who has 4xd all of his opening range. Has reshoved fairly light on two shorties A9 and QJ. His play at table, matches his standard of my current notes.
So....
UTG (stack 32k) mins. Has been uber passive. He has a huge hand, this is his spot.
UTG+2 (150k) tank flats.
I find JJ in the cut off. I am unlikely to be a head of UTG's range. UTG+2 is a bit of a mystery to me here, but will take a flop IP vs both. Sigh c/fing alot of the time. Normally I wouldnt be doing this, but have been picking up a lot of pots uncontested w/out showdown. Am not wanting to create a large pot here.
Active aggro player is immediately on my left on the button. Notes are that he likes to get aggro in these spots. He ships his 105bb's very quickly.
UTG tank hollywood calls, giving me time to decide that if UTG+2 folds I will call. My advantage here is likely to be negligble. Easily two overs. But would be quite happy to take this down, becoming Tchip leader if taking perceived flip and holding. Feel strongly am losing to UTG, but his stack is marginal. Wont get involved if UTG+2 comes along, but will take on the other large stack. Still retaining 35bb playing/re-shoving stack if losing hand.
Am probably waffling abit.
Over levelled? Simple snap call? Or get out of the way regardless and keep healthy stack, maintaing nip and tuck approach?
UTG KK 16bb's
UTG+2 fold 75bbs
Hero JJ 140 bbs
Button A10o 105 bbs
Last 22 of 8k guarentee. Place money is juicy but had been sat deep from out of the gates and was looking to win this one or be top 3 at least. Table has been really tight, been picking up alot of pots in LP w/out showdown.
I have around 280k @ 1k/2k. Most anyone on table has is 160kish. Pretty active player who I have notes on has arrived with 210k who has 4xd all of his opening range. Has reshoved fairly light on two shorties A9 and QJ. His play at table, matches his standard of my current notes.
So....
UTG (stack 32k) mins. Has been uber passive. He has a huge hand, this is his spot.
UTG+2 (150k) tank flats.
I find JJ in the cut off. I am unlikely to be a head of UTG's range. UTG+2 is a bit of a mystery to me here, but will take a flop IP vs both. Sigh c/fing alot of the time. Normally I wouldnt be doing this, but have been picking up a lot of pots uncontested w/out showdown. Am not wanting to create a large pot here.
Active aggro player is immediately on my left on the button. Notes are that he likes to get aggro in these spots. He ships his 105bb's very quickly.
UTG tank hollywood calls, giving me time to decide that if UTG+2 folds I will call. My advantage here is likely to be negligble. Easily two overs. But would be quite happy to take this down, becoming Tchip leader if taking perceived flip and holding. Feel strongly am losing to UTG, but his stack is marginal. Wont get involved if UTG+2 comes along, but will take on the other large stack. Still retaining 35bb playing/re-shoving stack if losing hand.
Am probably waffling abit.
Over levelled? Simple snap call? Or get out of the way regardless and keep healthy stack, maintaing nip and tuck approach?
UTG KK 16bb's
UTG+2 fold 75bbs
Hero JJ 140 bbs
Button A10o 105 bbs
Comments
I would prob just 3bet and call it off v UTG or btn if he shoves, but that may be bad, also depends who btn is likely to view your 3bet range
If I 3bet, UTG def 4 bet shoves (4k min, i'd likely make it 10.5ish, he'd reshove the 34ktotal, UTG stationer is very much an unknown quantity).
However, button loses all interest in the hand I have to feel facing the action and his perception of FE.
Csn only 3bet to get it in which in this spot I wasnt prepared to, as initial riser is highly likely to have us in a world of hurt. Pointless isolation. But then it evolved. Obv dry board with river A aggro player scooping whole pot
Depends how capable btn is, UTG+2 may flat the 3 bet this deep - again depends but probably folding if only flatting
3 bet ip first time around />calling
if you flat you want btn to do this aggro shove, which btw does nothing
call because thats how you played it and you can't give credit to btn because why would you play premium hand this bad :S
Really don’t understand what your saying )
UTG min raises with 16bb, your calling the shove all day with jacks when it comes back around
UTG+2 only flats initial open, your not worried about him but you may get some value from this oppo by 3 betting, if oppo is flatting min opens
By calling your set mining verus UTG+2 or inducing aggro behind
If you 3 bet then you can fold to a 4 bet shove from btn, as btn must be beating JJ -
But if you flat, why are you flatting ? To get a shove from btn or for UTG+2 to flat UTG shove and now you shove
What does fatting achieve versus UTG+2
If you flat, then you should snap btn shove
flatting and only calling btn shove, folding to anything else
but if btn flats behind or folds
Kinda putting all your money on btn being aggro in this spot, which is ok but like what GT said - depends how btn sees your 3 betting range
Plus min raise UTG could be anyting these days ) still think 3 betting /> calling
Happy caling off JJ this deep to UTG
Would you mind giving an opinion on this hand please? Just for arguments sake can we take it for 100% granted UTG has overpair (which he did)