Carlo's h/u with sim

seppe

Carlo said hed been playin simuk along time in that session & knew were he was quite quickly but they was sat on a 6 max table & there was never any1 joinin the table. Just seemed abit strange h/u on a 6 max for that long a period

simuk

The session lasted about half an hour, although hard to tell as I was playing about 10 tables at the time and was unaware that I was playing Carlo Citrone, as the screen name of Carlo, for whatever reason, didn't click.

Would love a rematch at a MCHU table Carlo...!

seppe

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The session lasted about half an hour, although hard to tell as I was playing about 10 tables at the time and was unaware that I was playing Carlo Citrone, as the screen name of Carlo, for whatever reason, didn't click. Would love a rematch at a MCHU table Carlo...!
Posted by simuk

Only half an hr. i thought it was alil longer than that, the way he was talkin last nite not that im trying to cause conflict it just seemed strange you was both on a 6 max & nobody else turned up, only half hr would make sense kinda tho.

Do you think carlo saying he had you hooked up & sussed pretty quickly was unfair. If it was only 30 mins how could he have a fair assesment on your game???  

Lambert180

To be honest, I think if you're a good player a HU as Carlo no doubt is, you should be able to suss out a player within about 5-10 mins. In that time you'll have played probably 30+ hands and have an idea of how many times they raise the button, 3bet you pre, how they play post flop etc. Obviously the job of a good player like Sim is to disguise what he's doing but yeah HU you need to figure someone out pretty quickly or you're just throwing money away.

seppe

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To be honest, I think if you're a good player a HU as Carlo no doubt is, you should be able to suss out a player within about 5-10 mins. In that time you'll have played probably 30+ hands and have an idea of how many times they raise the button, 3bet you pre, how they play post flop etc. Obviously the job of a good player like Sim is to disguise what he's doing but yeah HU you need to figure someone out pretty quickly or you're just throwing money away.
Posted by Lambert180

Maybe yr right about the 5-10 min time span. Whos to say carlo is a gd h/u player, he played some iffy cards with no plan(he said to luke he had 1 but if were honest he had 2 justife it lol). My point is in 30 mins you cannot suss a player out that much if youve never played them before

Machka

In Response to Re: Carlo's h/u with sim:

The session lasted about half an hour, although hard to tell as I was playing about 10 tables at the time and was unaware that I was playing Carlo Citrone, as the screen name of Carlo, for whatever reason, didn't click. Would love a rematch at a MCHU table Carlo...!
Posted by simuk

**** those cryptic aliases.

simuk

30 mins is plenty enough to get a pretty good read on someone especially HU. 

Like I said on twitter, if I had known who the player was before we started playing or that the match was going to be shown on TV, the match would have gone very differently. The fact I wasn't warned was a little surprising imo, but obv being a TV table there isnt much I can do about it!

Carlo labelled me as "ABC" which is a fair assumption of how I played in that session. The reason for this was because of a few hands where I thought Carlo was getting stubborn or was just a random recreational player who didn't want to fold hands. Generally speaking, you don't want to be making too many moves on this player type, rather, ofc, just make hands and get paid... 

Saying that if he thought I was an ABC player... why was he getting stubborn with hands like the A5o and the K8o... surely if I am ABC then I won't be bluffing that often!

And then we come to the K2ss v 66 hand where the whole ABC label got mentioned...

I raise with K2ss and call Carlo's 3bet with 66. Board is 29Q. Carlo cbets at the pot, I call and we both check it down from there... I had a hand that beat a massive chunk of his 3betting hands, such as AK, AJ etc and lost to only a few that he may have folded such as the one he had,66. Why would I opt to bluff with this hand?!

LOL_RAISE

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To be honest, I think if you're a good player a HU as Carlo no doubt is, you should be able to suss out a player within about 5-10 mins. In that time you'll have played probably 30+ hands and have an idea of how many times they raise the button, 3bet you pre, how they play post flop etc. Obviously the job of a good player like Sim is to disguise what he's doing but yeah HU you need to figure someone out pretty quickly or you're just throwing money away.
Posted by Lambert180

sample size of 30hands is basically meaningless apart from defining wherther someone is competant, or a weak player

D_Legend

In Response to Re: Carlo's h/u with sim:

In Response to Re: Carlo's h/u with sim : Maybe yr right about the 5-10 min time span. Whos to say carlo is a gd h/u player, he played some iffy cards with no plan(he said to luke he had 1 but if were honest he had 2 justife it lol). My point is in 30 mins you cannot suss a player out that much if youve never played them before
Posted by seppe

oh the only thing u missed is the they was history with the two maybe not derectly but he analsysed countless hand of his oppent so i must have a feel of how he plays hands.

Lambert180

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In Response to Re: Carlo's h/u with sim : sample size of 30hands is basically meaningless apart from defining wherther someone is competant, or a weak player
Posted by LOL_RAISE

Well yeah, I'm not saying you would have masses of information and be able to make alot of player dependent decisions, but it's easily enough, as you say, to find out if someone is weak, or playing ABC, or mega aggressive, or folds the button way too much (is too tight), alot of basics. And then obviously it takes ALOT of hands to really get to know a player as there's no telling how many hands you're actually gonna get to see them showdown.

My only point was that I think it's unfair to say in 30 mins you couldn't make a a decision on a player in a rough ballpark. Like if it was a ring game , it would take a pretty long time before you've played say 80 hands against the same player, but that could be done in 30 mins HU

gadgerno1

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30 mins is plenty enough to get a pretty good read on someone especially HU.  Like I said on twitter, if I had known who the player was before we started playing or that the match was going to be shown on TV, the match would have gone very differently. The fact I wasn't warned was a little surprising imo, but obv being a TV table there isnt much I can do about it! Carlo labelled me as "ABC" which is a fair assumption of how I played in that session. The reason for this was because of a few hands where I thought Carlo was getting stubborn or was just a random recreational player who didn't want to fold hands. Generally speaking, you don't want to be making too many moves on this player type, rather, ofc, just make hands and get paid...  Saying that if he thought I was an ABC player... why was he getting stubborn with hands like the A5o and the K8o... surely if I am ABC then I won't be bluffing that often! And then we come to the K2ss v 66 hand where the whole ABC label got mentioned... I raise with K2ss and call Carlo's 3bet with 66. Board is 29Q. Carlo cbets at the pot, I call and we both check it down from there... I had a hand that beat a massive chunk of his 3betting hands, such as AK, AJ etc and lost to only a few that he may have folded such as the one he had,66. Why would I opt to bluff with this hand?!
Posted by simuk

I just think he owned you so bad simmy, to many skillz for your "ABC" style me think

simuk

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In Response to Re: Carlo's h/u with sim : I just think he owned you so bad simmy, to many skillz for your "ABC" style me think
Posted by gadgerno1

Hahaha. B4st4rd.

gadgerno1

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In Response to Re: Carlo's h/u with sim : Hahaha. B4st4rd.
Posted by simuk

hahaha

gadgerno1

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In Response to Re: Carlo's h/u with sim : Hahaha. B4st4rd.
Posted by simuk

Wouldn't mind seeing a re match aswell tbh

esp now you know who you are playing

n please take him down, Carlo tilts the life out o me calling me gadger NO arjdhbuabi

Tikay10

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30 mins is plenty enough to get a pretty good read on someone especially HU.  Like I said on twitter, if I had known who the player was before we started playing or that the match was going to be shown on TV, the match would have gone very differently. The fact I wasn't warned was a little surprising imo, but obv being a TV table there isnt much I can do about it! Carlo labelled me as "ABC" which is a fair assumption of how I played in that session. The reason for this was because of a few hands where I thought Carlo was getting stubborn or was just a random recreational player who didn't want to fold hands. Generally speaking, you don't want to be making too many moves on this player type, rather, ofc, just make hands and get paid...  Saying that if he thought I was an ABC player... why was he getting stubborn with hands like the A5o and the K8o... surely if I am ABC then I won't be bluffing that often! And then we come to the K2ss v 66 hand where the whole ABC label got mentioned... I raise with K2ss and call Carlo's 3bet with 66. Board is 29Q. Carlo cbets at the pot, I call and we both check it down from there... I had a hand that beat a massive chunk of his 3betting hands, such as AK, AJ etc and lost to only a few that he may have folded such as the one he had,66. Why would I opt to bluff with this hand?!
Posted by simuk

Yo Simmy,

I think you made a fair point there, sorry. Nobody did anything improper, as you note, but given that you were 12-Tabling at the time, unaware of what was going off, your play was being disected in the Studio, & you had no right of reply, I think it was a little unfair on you. 

However, I mentioned this to Mother, & as a result, I think she is cooking up something, & you shall have your chance of revenge quite soon I believe. Televised, too.

Problem is, what if he owns you this time? Again......

simuk

Haha, good to hear Tikay. 

I don't mind losing again... TV presenters that have owned me so far have been Anna and Carlo and I am getting used to it I guess . 

Please tell Mother I am looking forward to the match!

rancid

Grudge Match!

SUPERSNEDD

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In Response to Re: Carlo's h/u with sim : Wouldn't mind seeing a re match aswell tbh esp now you know who you are playing n please take him down, Carlo tilts the life out o me calling me gadger NO arjdhbuabi
Posted by gadgerno1

I noticed Redmond has started calling you this as well................it might just catch on!!   ;-)

aussie09

is it not gadger no, no?

SUPERSNEDD

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is it not gadger no, no ?
Posted by aussie09

Its a no, no..................to say Gadger No

Sky_Claire

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Haha, good to hear Tikay.  I don't mind losing again... TV presenters that have owned me so far have been Anna and Carlo and I am getting used to it I guess .  Please tell Mother I am looking forward to the match!
Posted by simuk

LOL dont worry its being organised, eventhough Tikay has got some revenge on Carlo here: HU Carlo