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i can't beat................

waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,119
edited February 2012 in Poker Chat
NL4!!!!!

I am wanting to start playing cash on a reg basis and am still trying to adjust, just had a 3 hr session 4 tabling nl4 and to put it bluntly......it was a disastrous session!!!

I had a mix of cruel outdraws, difficult spots (2 pair v straight) and not being able to fold tptk....sigh i never learn. I only played my premium hands strongly, folding when I missed and betting big when I hit but things turned bad and I ended up 7 quid down.

Is this standard for a bad session? Should i stick with it?? Or should I accept that I can't play cash?! On most of the tables I played I managed to get up to 5-6 quid only to spew most of it off in 1 hand, so should I leave the table when I get to 6 quid and open another table with 4 quid???? Or maybe just play 1 hour sessions at a time?

Sorry for all the questions but I need some help! haha

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  • yidette9yidette9 Member Posts: 703
    edited February 2012
    In Response to i can't beat................:
    NL4!!!!! I am wanting to start playing cash on a reg basis and am still trying to adjust, just had a 3 hr session 4 tabling nl4 and to put it bluntly......it was a disastrous session!!! I had a mix of cruel outdraws, difficult spots (2 pair v straight) and not being able to fold tptk....sigh i never learn. I only played my premium hands strongly, folding when I missed and betting big when I hit but things turned bad and I ended up 7 quid down. Is this standard for a bad session? Should i stick with it?? Or should I accept that I can't play cash?! On most of the tables I played I managed to get up to 5-6 quid only to spew most of it off in 1 hand, so should I leave the table when I get to 6 quid and open another table with 4 quid???? Or maybe just play 1 hour sessions at a time? Sorry for all the questions but I need some help! haha
    Posted by waller02
    really wish I could help you Ryan but I'll have to leave it to the experts as usual but for what it's worth ...Keep at it!, play your excellent game and variance will tell you that you won't go far wrong my friend :)
  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited February 2012
    In Response to i can't beat................:
    NL4!!!!! I am wanting to start playing cash on a reg basis and am still trying to adjust, just had a 3 hr session 4 tabling nl4 and to put it bluntly......it was a disastrous session!!! I had a mix of cruel outdraws, difficult spots (2 pair v straight) and not being able to fold tptk....sigh i never learn. I only played my premium hands strongly, folding when I missed and betting big when I hit but things turned bad and I ended up 7 quid down. Is this standard for a bad session? Should i stick with it?? Or should I accept that I can't play cash?! On most of the tables I played I managed to get up to 5-6 quid only to spew most of it off in 1 hand, so should I leave the table when I get to 6 quid and open another table with 4 quid???? Or maybe just play 1 hour sessions at a time? Sorry for all the questions but I need some help! haha
    Posted by waller02
    hi waller i mainly play cash and i`ve just came from4nl/5nl up to 10nl in the last week or so.

    sorry to hear your 1st session never went to well m8 but its cash your goin 2 get sessions you lose a few buyins and then there is sessions you are going to be on fire so would not worry about one session as long you have more good sessions than bad overall you`ll be fine.

    also if you are playing well getting it in with the best to get unlucky you know yourself in the long run you will win money its poker it happens.When your talking about leaving table when your at £6 I personally stay till a get to £10-£12 then bank it lol it works for me unless there is someone goin crazy I just stay and hope to get the lot.

    one last thing I`ve played againist you a few times in mtts,dym`s so know you have a good game so i have full confidence you will suceed at cash so stick at it for a bit you will enjoy it when you get those winning sessions and your bankroll increases best of luck m8.
  • TINTINTINTIN Member Posts: 1,612
    edited February 2012
    In Response to i can't beat................:
    NL4!!!!! I am wanting to start playing cash on a reg basis and am still trying to adjust, just had a 3 hr session 4 tabling nl4 and to put it bluntly......it was a disastrous session!!! I had a mix of cruel outdraws, difficult spots (2 pair v straight) and not being able to fold tptk....sigh i never learn. I only played my premium hands strongly, folding when I missed and betting big when I hit but things turned bad and I ended up 7 quid down. Is this standard for a bad session? Should i stick with it?? Or should I accept that I can't play cash?! On most of the tables I played I managed to get up to 5-6 quid only to spew most of it off in 1 hand, so should I leave the table when I get to 6 quid and open another table with 4 quid???? Or maybe just play 1 hour sessions at a time? Sorry for all the questions but I need some help! haha
    Posted by waller02
    7 quid down after 3hr 4 tabling isnt a disaster at nl4 so i wouldnt get too down on yourself. as a cash newcomer so to speak it may take you a little time to adjust your game but what youve stated above i would say can be pretty common for most of us.

    some days you just walk into bigger hand after bigger hand, ive had days where i lost 10 buyins at nl4 thru a combo of reasons(bad play by me combined with coolers) but i know that i can have plenty winning sessions that cover this n more

    it may also be a case of not knowing the players yet at the level coz tptk is normaly the nuts against a large % of players there.

    i'd treat the nxt week as a learning week, mix up you length of sessions, maybe banking a half buyin profit as you said, and getting notes on certain players
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2012
    I aint read other people's posts so I dunno if I'm repeating things others have said but £7 is definitely not disatrous, that's not even 2 Buy-ins. The reason you need to play with 20+ buy-ins is because even if you're Phil Ivey, some days you're gonna lose 2 or 3 or 4 buy-ins.

    For example, you're never not gonna get AA pre if you have the chance, but I did it in the DTD last night, called by QQ and lost, so that would be £4 gone at 4NL. You can't get too down about bad beats/outdraws/coolers. Say you flop, a straight 9 times out of 10 the hands you get it in against will be pairs, two pairs, sets, so that one time in 10 when it's against a flush, it sucks and sometimes, you'll get 2-3 of them in one night, but it will even out.
  • devonfish5devonfish5 Member Posts: 4,291
    edited February 2012
    hi waller,
    don,t get too down on yourself,
    it,s only 1 session.
    it can be tough mate,
    i,ve just been grinding for 5 hours @nl4 playing 6 tables....
    guess how much i won.......
    £1.16...lol
    keep on getting your money in good,
    and you,ll be ok in the long run.

    best wishes
    devon
  • walesboywalesboy Member Posts: 993
    edited February 2012
    i agree with all of the above mate
    £7 isn't alot especially on 4 tables- I did £9 this afternoon and got back half this evening.
    Playing the same way but this afternoon they hit or I didn't believe. Tonight I hit or read it right.
    At nl4 that's just the way it goes. You'll get ups and downs and get the "I don't believe it!" moments.

    I had a time when I was low on confidence, and I banked profits when I was a couple of quid up as I was certain the inevitable loss was coming. I probably lost value on the tables but seeing the br go up consistently gave me confidence and meant the losses were easier to bear.

    good luck
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited February 2012
    Dig in mate, you will get time where u get outdrawn or miss draws so you can have 1 or 2 losing sessions. Less then 2BI is not really that bad at all whatever level

    I had same last night 6 tabled nl10 for about 2 hours and was £7 down but on assessment opponents did a few get there on the rivers, nevermind just play aswell next session and will be laughing.

    Seriously keep it very ABC nl4, i played it a few weeks ago when rebuilding my roll. also i would note TPTK is generally good alot of the time ;) Have a re-read of Dohhh's ABC guide and im sure it will get you thinking about it again.

    How many tables are you playing? 6+ would be good if u can @nl4 IMO as is very ABC and its very easy to make a call here and there
  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,119
    edited February 2012

    ty for all your comments and advice

    YG, i can't play any more than 4 tables or my laptop freezes....just about to have a couple of hours now and see how it goes!

    good to hear from you lorraine, but not a fan of that dirty orange font!!! lol hope tkp are treat you well!

  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited February 2012
    3hrs- huge sample size there

    2bi down - huge downswing

    Cmon give it a chance - log 10K hands then see how u are doing. You could easily be crushing a level and lose 6bi in 3hrs
  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,119
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: i can't beat................:
    3hrs- huge sample size there 2bi down - huge downswing Cmon give it a chance - log 10K hands then see how u are doing. You could easily be crushing a level and lose 6bi in 3hrs
    Posted by grantorino
    lol....yeah,yeah point taken! :)

    i just thought it would be a walk in the park thats all, as i said i'm new to cash and was just wondering what to expect

    just had another couple of hours 3 tabling and came away 63p down, qq v kk and getting it in with 10's on a 924 flop against 4's were the costly hands but managed to claw my way back up. I'm gonna stick with it though as i quite enjoy it tbh, makes a nice change from mtts all the time    
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