Bad Session Analysis - Part 1

Pysterman

Hi Guys.

After moving up to NL10, I started off well but then it all went pear-shaped. After 6796 hands I am now £26.38 down (about 4 big blinds per 100 hands).

I've just come away from a bad session. I was wondering if I could have some feedback. I was playing two 6-max tables and a full ring table. I know some of these situations may depend on reads.

I will post every hand where I lost more than £1. (One was already posted in another thread.)


Hand One

healss	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£5.35
Pysterman	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£9.90
	Your hole cards	10 9
staceykian	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£3.48
ginge003	Fold
ToffeLad	Fold
redpepper1	Fold
cld89	Fold
bunce05	Raise		£0.20	£0.45	£4.25
betman82	Call		£0.20	£0.65	£8.41
healss	Fold
Pysterman	Call		£0.10	£0.75	£9.80
staceykian	Call		£0.10	£0.85	£3.38
Flop
		10 6 8
Pysterman	Bet		£0.43	£1.28	£9.37
staceykian	Call		£0.43	£1.71	£2.95
bunce05	Call		£0.43	£2.14	£3.82
betman82	Raise		£0.86	£3.00	£7.55
Pysterman	Call		£0.43	£3.43	£8.94
staceykian	Call		£0.43	£3.86	£2.52
bunce05	Call		£0.43	£4.29	£3.39
Turn
		K
Pysterman	Check
staceykian	Check
bunce05	Check
betman82	All-in		£7.55	£11.84	£0.00
Pysterman	Fold

Hand Two

Tried to steal on the flop. Slowed down after call. Figured I could have been ahead or at least chopping by the river so check-called.

Pysterman	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£9.03
maruff	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£9.30
pod1	Big blind		£0.10	£0.25	£9.90
	Your hole cards	A 4
acesadam86	Fold
pod1	Raise		£0.20	£0.45	£9.70
Appletasm	Fold
sunnyboy06	Fold
Pysterman	Call		£0.25	£0.70	£8.78
maruff	Fold
Flop
		J 8 8
Pysterman	Bet		£0.40	£1.10	£8.38
pod1	Call		£0.40	£1.50	£9.30
Turn
		J
Pysterman	Check
pod1	Check
River
		Q
Pysterman	Check
pod1	Bet		£1.13	£2.63	£8.17
Pysterman	Call		£1.13	£3.76	£7.25
pod1	Show	Q Q
Pysterman	Muck	A 4
pod1	Win	Full House, Queens and Jacks	£3.47		£11.64

Hand Three

Could I have repped the flush here after villain checked turn?

maruff	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£10.19
BIGADS777	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£6.43
	Your hole cards	Q J
pod1	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£12.32
Appletasm	Fold
ZedsDeadBa	Fold
Pysterman	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£9.55
maruff	Fold
BIGADS777	Call		£0.20	£0.95	£6.23
Flop
		J 7 9
BIGADS777	Check
pod1	Bet		£0.48	£1.43	£11.84
Pysterman	Raise		£1.44	£2.87	£8.11
BIGADS777	Fold
pod1	Call		£0.96	£3.83	£10.88
Turn
		10
pod1	Check
Pysterman	Check
River
		9
pod1	Check
Pysterman	Check
pod1	Show	J A
Pysterman	Muck	Q J
pod1	Win	Two Pairs, Jacks and 9s	£3.54		£14.42

Hand Four

I had seen the villain bluff shove the river with air before now.

Appletasm	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£5.87
ZedsDeadBa	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£10.94
	Your hole cards	J J
Pysterman	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£9.70
maruff	Fold
BIGADS777	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£13.13
pod1	Fold
Appletasm	Fold
ZedsDeadBa	Fold
Flop
		3 6 4
Pysterman	Check
BIGADS777	Bet		£0.56	£1.31	£12.57
Pysterman	Raise		£1.96	£3.27	£7.74
BIGADS777	Call		£1.40	£4.67	£11.17
Turn
		6
Pysterman	Check
BIGADS777	Check
River
		2
Pysterman	Check
BIGADS777	Bet		£3.50	£8.17	£7.67
Pysterman	Call		£3.50	£11.67	£4.24
BIGADS777	Show	A 10
Pysterman	Muck	J J
BIGADS777	Win	Flush to the Ace	£10.79		£18.46

rob12345

hand 1 seem fine to me
hand 2 don't like calling pre wif a bad ace out of potion fair play for betting out but i thick u have got to bet the turn if bet the flop coz u get floated and called by ace hi and small pair and if bet the turn all them fold.
hand 3 think reaping the flush is hard coz to me it looks more like pod would have the flush wif just calling the re raise on the flop.
hand 4 i thick u should have bet the turn as 6 has not change that much and are u checking the turn for pot control or to get value on the river and when u have played it like this u have gone wif read so not that bad to got wif your gut.

grantorino

1: Pre marginal v not full stacks. Check flop

2: Fold or 3bet pre, usually fold. If you want to bluff flop c/r imo (and you need to bluff flops if you flat pre). Prob fold river

3: I'd often fold pre to an utg open. Flat flop, raising turns your hand into a bluff

4: bet turn, I'd consider folding river, but call prob ok

pod1

hand 1 fold pre, hand 2,3,4, gotts bet turn.

ballboy

got to agree with Grantorino.

When you play any hand, you should be checking the stacks of everyone you are playing against.

The aim of the game is stacking your opponent. You want to be winning 15-20 quid pots at 5p/10p which you can't do against a guy with 4quid. I find these players are more likely looking to just ram the money in and play on the fact it won't cost much to get an all in with them.

On the hand with the jacks, I like the check raise on the flop as it should make hands like the one he had fold. A bet on the turn may have taken it, but as you thought at the time, the chances of him having top pair possibly a hand like 6-5 was a risk. The river is just unfortunate.

Pysterman

In Response to Re: Bad Session Analysis - Part 1:

got to agree with Grantorino. When you play any hand, you should be checking the stacks of everyone you are playing against. The aim of the game is stacking your opponent. You want to be winning 15-20 quid pots at 5p/10p which you can't do against a guy with 4quid. I find these players are more likely looking to just ram the money in and play on the fact it won't cost much to get an all in with them. On the hand with the jacks, I like the check raise on the flop as it should make hands like the one he had fold. A bet on the turn may have taken it, but as you thought at the time, the chances of him having top pair possibly a hand like 6-5 was a risk. The river is just unfortunate.
Posted by ballboy

I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you're advising here.

I understand how when playing a drawing-type hand, such as when you're set-mining, you need your opponent(s) to have large enough stacks to give you the correct implied odds to call.

The stacks in Hand One, to which I assume you're referring, were short, but not super short (roughly £4 and £8, with another £4 stack to call behind). Surely, for 10p, I'm getting reasonable odds to call here.

Are you saying that you should only get involved against non-full stacks when you have a premium hand? That seems very one-dimensional to me.

ballboy

In Response to Re: Bad Session Analysis - Part 1:

In Response to Re: Bad Session Analysis - Part 1 : I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you're advising here. I understand how when playing a drawing-type hand, such as when you're set-mining, you need your opponent(s) to have large enough stacks to give you the correct implied odds to call. The stacks in Hand One, to which I assume you're referring, were short, but not super short (roughly £4 and £8, with another £4 stack to call behind). Surely, for 10p, I'm getting reasonable odds to call here. Are you saying that you should only get involved against non-full stacks when you have a premium hand? That seems very one-dimensional to me.
Posted by Pysterman

its more of a general tip mate. When people are raising to 40p+ and have a small stack I tend to give them no action until they either double up or top up or I have a big hand. it depends how you play. If you like raising a lot and want to keep nicking blinds etc its not as important how big their stack is when its like 2.50-5 quid. When its less than that they 3bet shove a lot so its not a good proposition raising them as your image will be destroyed when you fold for like an extra 60p or showdown weak hands.

With small pairs obviously they make a set 1 time in 8 (rounded up from about 7.5 I think it is) so if they raise to 50p you need them to be having 4 quid minimum and obviously you having this amount as well. Ideally more I would say as they might not have a hand you can get 3 streets of value of (eg- if  they have A9 etc and you have pocket pair.). Ideally when I am calling 5x raises PF I am hoping they have Aces or Kings because if I hit I am getting everything. As more people call preflop your implied odds get better and the potential pot you can win gets bigger

ps- unlucky with the trip Queens hand earlier. If you want to put that on here I can talk through my thinking on the other side but its probs a bit obvious

Pysterman

In Response to Re: Bad Session Analysis - Part 1:

In Response to Re: Bad Session Analysis - Part 1 : its more of a general tip mate. When people are raising to 40p+ and have a small stack I tend to give them no action until they either double up or top up or I have a big hand. it depends how you play. If you like raising a lot and want to keep nicking blinds etc its not as important how big their stack is when its like 2.50-5 quid. When its less than that they 3bet shove a lot so its not a good proposition raising them as your image will be destroyed when you fold for like an extra 60p or showdown weak hands. With small pairs obviously they make a set 1 time in 8 (rounded up from about 7.5 I think it is) so if they raise to 50p you need them to be having 4 quid minimum and obviously you having this amount as well. Ideally more I would say as they might not have a hand you can get 3 streets of value of (eg- if  they have A9 etc and you have pocket pair.). Ideally when I am calling 5x raises PF I am hoping they have Aces or Kings because if I hit I am getting everything. As more people call preflop your implied odds get better and the potential pot you can win gets bigger ps- unlucky with the trip Queens hand earlier. If you want to put that on here I can talk through my thinking on the other side but its probs a bit obvious
Posted by ballboy

Thanks for that.

I have already posted the Queens hand. I've no queries about the way you played it. You were clearly chasing a open-ended stright draw and just trying to get more money in the pot in case you hit. As I mentioned in the other post, I was basically trapping as the board looked safe and your straight was well hidden.